tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post4638864547005405509..comments2023-11-03T06:02:02.128-07:00Comments on By Ken Levine: The AMC pilot "Bake-Off"By Ken Levinehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17305293821975250420noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-15695708291753416882011-05-20T12:01:54.307-07:002011-05-20T12:01:54.307-07:00How about just don't bother....AMC chose not t...How about just don't bother....AMC chose not to choose...ANY of the scripts presented.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-80233696650736594262011-03-18T23:17:49.078-07:002011-03-18T23:17:49.078-07:00Don't take a "public speaking" class...Don't take a "public speaking" class; take a standup comedy class. Helps develop your joke-writing skills, and assuming you can find one like the one I took, at the end you do five minutes in front of an audience. Let me tell you, no matter how well you do, this will change your life. <br /><br />I've also heard improv provides a similar sense of accomplishment and confidence.<br /><br />I like standup because you're all on your own up there, and because it appeals to the editor side of my personality that likes to endlessly refine things.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-37334888632406327172011-03-17T11:01:21.017-07:002011-03-17T11:01:21.017-07:00ascinating subject; certainly primed to elicit rea...ascinating subject; certainly primed to elicit reactions from all of us!<br /><br />What strikes me, coming from the sales side, is that you are assuming that AMC is suborning, and falling prey to, the very worst form of decades-old, flim-flam, trial-close, hustling form of selling. I doubt that's entirely true.<br /><br />Look at it from the perspective of a really good salesperson. Such a person welcomes the chance to engage with the customer--not to 'pitch,' but to interact, learn, gain new perspective, form a connection, tune the offering, gain new ideas, collaborate. From the point of view of a salesperson, that beats the heck out of sitting at home all alone, dreaming up proposals that amount to guesses on what the client is thinking.<br /><br />It works much better for the client as well. They get to see how someone works on their feet, to hear first-hand what's behind a concept, to engage real-time in some concept-stretching and idea-development with people you may end up being connected to for several years. What's not to like!<br /><br />Only if you assume this is Reality-TV hucksterism is this a bad thing. Me, I'd like to think AMC is a sophisticated buyer, well past fears of being hustled, and that they select from providers who aren't afraid to get real in real-time. That's better for everyone.Charles H. Greenhttp://www.trustedadvisor.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-41907585499166939922011-03-17T11:00:41.746-07:002011-03-17T11:00:41.746-07:00Fascinating subject; certainly primed to elicit re...Fascinating subject; certainly primed to elicit reactions from all of us!<br /><br />What strikes me, coming from the sales side, is that you are assuming that AMC is suborning, and falling prey to, the very worst form of decades-old, flim-flam, trial-close, hustling form of selling. I doubt that's entirely true.<br /><br />Look at it from the perspective of a really good salesperson. Such a person welcomes the chance to engage with the customer--not to 'pitch,' but to interact, learn, gain new perspective, form a connection, tune the offering, gain new ideas, collaborate. From the point of view of a salesperson, that beats the heck out of sitting at home all alone, dreaming up proposals that amount to guesses on what the client is thinking.<br /><br />It works much better for the client as well. They get to see how someone works on their feet, to hear first-hand what's behind a concept, to engage real-time in some concept-stretching and idea-development with people you may end up being connected to for several years. What's not to like!<br /><br />Only if you assume this is Reality-TV hucksterism is this a bad thing. Me, I'd like to think AMC is a sophisticated buyer, well past fears of being hustled, and that they select from providers who aren't afraid to get real in real-time. That's better for everyone.Charles H. Greenhttp://www.trustedadvisor.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-86554922193656833912011-03-16T07:43:13.217-07:002011-03-16T07:43:13.217-07:00"And as remarkable as MAD MEN is, I'm sur..."And as remarkable as MAD MEN is, I'm sure a factor in buying it was that Matt Weiner is, in addition to his many other gifts, is charismatic, passionate, and great in the room."<br /><br /><br />Another thing to consider is how this bake-off approach would work for shows that are more, how shall I put this, broadly appealing than stuff like MAN MEN. It's perfectly fine if that's what you want on your network, but this sort of pitch would seem to be biased in favor of a certain type of storytelling.<br /><br />MikeMBungenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-7293483735795896932011-03-16T05:04:25.298-07:002011-03-16T05:04:25.298-07:00OK, where can I sign up for the Clinton retreat?OK, <b>where</b> can I sign up for the Clinton retreat?ScottRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-72950362606453180602011-03-15T18:26:35.372-07:002011-03-15T18:26:35.372-07:00Whew! At first I thought you meant it was a show ...Whew! At first I thought you meant it was a show about pitching shows. Upon further investigation, it didn't sound so bad. It seems like a great opportunity for those getting the chance to pitch. I would trust the AMC decision makers who have a pretty good track record so far. I bet substance still wins out over style, in this instance. I'd also bet that a really great runner-up could get a shot at something as well.cshelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-61669716973996914552011-03-15T17:15:00.699-07:002011-03-15T17:15:00.699-07:00Sounds like I ruffled some AMC feathers.
Did Ma...Sounds like I ruffled some AMC feathers. <br /><br />Did Matt Weiner pitch MAD MEN as part of a derby with five other shows? <br /><br />AMC thus far has a sensational batting average in picking series. Maybe your Bake-Off will continue that streak. <br /><br />What I was saying (yes, partly facetious -- this is a humor blog)was that like it or not, the art of pitching is a reality, it's here to stay, and it behooves writers to develop those skills. <br /><br />But I do think Neil Simon would have a much harder time wowing you people than Gene Scott. And as remarkable as MAD MEN is, I'm sure a factor in buying it was that Matt Weiner is, in addition to his many other gifts, is charismatic, passionate, and great in the room.By Ken Levinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17305293821975250420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-42667816923789009862011-03-15T17:02:10.507-07:002011-03-15T17:02:10.507-07:00As an initial matter, AMC does not handle it's...As an initial matter, AMC does not handle it's acquisition process like many other networks do. AMC does not develop projects in-house, they only acquire fully formed projects from outside and then fund them, generally with a minimum of interference. So this is not just writers pitching a script to executives - it's an entire creative team pitching an entire packaged, TV project. That's how Mad Men and Breaking Bad were both acquired.<br /><br />In addition, the four original shows AMC has aired so far have been hour long form dramas with heavily serialized elements. They do not appear to be acquiring sitcoms or light-adventure dramedies (a la USA Network). So your analogy of pitching the Odd Couple is apropos of nothing. The shows being pitched are likely long form, serialized dramas that require a significant amount of planning. It's unsurprising that AMC would want to see everything laid out in order to avoid picking up something akin to the crappy serialized shows on network TV (a la The Event and Flashforward).<br /><br />Finally, you're assuming that the suits at AMC are too stupid to see a good idea buried in a lackluster presentation or a bad idea buried in smoke and mirrors. Considering AMC has a good track record with picking up quality products, I am inclined to believe that they wouldn't pick up a show about a guy just sitting in a chair just because of sales technique.<br /><br />Perhaps you are simply being facetious for the purpose of creating a humorous post - but I think you are making far too many assumptions about what would and would not get picked up based on a very simplistic description of the process simply because it is different from what you may view as the traditional pitch process.rhyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11106822956424737053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-30232022378003835442011-03-15T15:23:45.928-07:002011-03-15T15:23:45.928-07:00I'm glad someone is addressing this problem.
...I'm glad someone is addressing this problem.<br /><br />It's not new.<br /><br />It just seems to be highlighted recently. I really suck in the room. Bad. My writing partner is awesome. But he's pretty terrible on the page.<br /><br />So our partnership has come down to I write everything. He pitches it.<br /><br />The execs don't know the difference. I grow bitter. <br /><br />Sounds about right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-45658160288112604132011-03-15T14:05:38.963-07:002011-03-15T14:05:38.963-07:00". . . just show the whole thing on the Game ...". . . just show the whole thing on the Game Show Network?" <br />You jest, but right now someone's reading this and going "Hang on? We get six shut-ins who've spent the last few months sitting at a keyboard? Make them act out their scripts? They're writers, not salesmen - I see humiliation!" <br />The "Bake-Off" sounds grim.Macnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-26716718459859523242011-03-15T11:46:13.532-07:002011-03-15T11:46:13.532-07:00Anything owned and operated by the people running ...Anything owned and operated by the people running Cablevision and Madison Square Garden is by default going to be a custerfluck, so hearing that AMC is pulling this stunt is no surprise (and if it turns out the winning pilot was written by <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/would-dolan-choose-isiah-over-walsh-2011-2" rel="nofollow">Isaiah Thomas</a>, that wouldn't be a major shock, either).Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-62553229218669663802011-03-15T10:52:56.945-07:002011-03-15T10:52:56.945-07:00I guess I'm a bit unsure how I feel about this...I guess I'm a bit unsure how I feel about this.<br /><br />Writers write, but sellers sell, no?<br /><br />If you want to be a writer then you write your ass off. But, if you want to create a series, possibly be the showrunner, you aren't just a writer anymore.<br /><br />I'm having a hard time understanding the writer that fears public speaking if they want to sell a show to a network.Carlos Matthews Hernandezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04844149114686947104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-21769420373299568572011-03-15T10:32:52.574-07:002011-03-15T10:32:52.574-07:00Okay, here's a question I have for Ken's F...Okay, here's a question I have for Ken's Friday Q&A...<br /><br />You often recollect on the "Good-bye Radar" episodes in your posts; I rewatched the episodes the other night and was wondering what brought on the line, "This isn't a Sunday social, ya know!"? I don't know why, but that line seemed unusual for Radar... matter of fact, why did he finish a few of his sentences with, "Ya know!" like a stereotypical Canadian with, "Eh?"?<br /><br />Him not wanting to wear his hat, I wonder what happened to (all) the hat(s) he wore on the show.Joseph Scarbroughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06851086150240380366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-19451439575890158992011-03-15T08:59:42.415-07:002011-03-15T08:59:42.415-07:00@ Jenna
Smart aphorism, never heard that before.@ Jenna<br /><br />Smart aphorism, never heard that before.Max Clarkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07706524941272103444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-56877705521087533822011-03-15T08:52:23.027-07:002011-03-15T08:52:23.027-07:00This reminds me of advice from my engineering desi...This reminds me of advice from my engineering design class: <br /><br />A bad idea with a good presentation is doomed eventually. A good idea with a bad presentation is doomed immediately.<br /><br />This is true in so many areas of life.Jennanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-44360031027612196392011-03-15T08:01:25.330-07:002011-03-15T08:01:25.330-07:00I belong to Romance Writers of America and the cha...I belong to Romance Writers of America and the chapter in South Florida. At various conferences, there are usually opportunities to pitch your book to an editor or agent. This is one of the most terrifying experiences in the world for a writer, even for those of us who are experienced public speakers. I think it's because we invest so much emotion into the dream of getting published and forget to look at the pitch as one more professional step.<br /><br />Our groups actually hold workshops and brainstorming discussions to help writers craft and hone their pitches and then practice for their appointments.<br /><br />There you go, Ken. The next time you do your writers room weekend seminar, you can add time to help the registrants work on pitching their finished scripts.The DRC Familyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17550749704812172870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-10582249875495283362011-03-15T07:57:38.110-07:002011-03-15T07:57:38.110-07:00This is the inevitable downside of a creator-centr...This is the inevitable downside of a creator-centric approach in a fundamentally collaborative medium, espcially in a relatively low-budget environment.<br /><br />MikeMBungenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-73472344067096652552011-03-15T07:07:01.086-07:002011-03-15T07:07:01.086-07:00I understand. I'm not arguing that this is th...I understand. I'm not arguing that this is the Way of the World, as vile as it is. What grinds my gears is the advice. Not singling out you, Ken. I've received similar gung ho 'Just do it!' advice many times from extroverts who find sales simple.<br /><br />But flip it around..."You bunch are all crackerjack sales people, but the way to get ahead is to write. Write magazine articles and blogs. Get your thoughts out there! The way to impress people is with sharp ideas, witty thoughts and offer them with clean, coherent writing. So, just do it! Get any self-help book and listen to some Mozart. You'll go from barely knowing the alphabet to contender-level writing easy peasy!'<br /><br />That's how this sort of advice sounds to me.Extroverts don't get it...noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-81255780871926050212011-03-15T06:45:20.831-07:002011-03-15T06:45:20.831-07:00Well, at least the contestants don't actually ...Well, at least the contestants don't actually have to shoot and pay for the whole first season... Yet.Please Leave Namenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-48303326878515469362011-03-15T06:29:32.543-07:002011-03-15T06:29:32.543-07:00Yet another example of what has so much of this co...Yet another example of what has so much of this country fouled up. To use politcis as an example, the skill set required to get elected is not the skill set required to govern effectively.<br /><br />And we suffer for it every day.Dana Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01350344882342624735noreply@blogger.com