tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post5881581177450892410..comments2023-11-03T06:02:02.128-07:00Comments on By Ken Levine: ST. ELSEWHERE goes to CHEERS: the inside storyBy Ken Levinehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17305293821975250420noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-65805118376418355632012-09-08T09:13:25.141-07:002012-09-08T09:13:25.141-07:00To Jim, Cheers Fan, from 6/05/2011 9:22 AM: Mark C...To Jim, Cheers Fan, from 6/05/2011 9:22 AM: Mark Craig ordered an amaretto, earning a snide mocking from Carla.Danielhttp://stelsewhereexperience.blogspot.ca/2012/09/cheers-writer-ken-levine-on-stelsewhere.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-34156152602710293222011-06-10T08:44:28.573-07:002011-06-10T08:44:28.573-07:00Re:
"I've heard the question posed somew...Re: <br /><i>"I've heard the question posed somewhere before, but: if St. Elsewhere was all a vision in that boy's head, does this make Cheers all a dream as well?"</i><br /><br />Re: <br /><i>"http://home.vicnet.net.au/~kwgow/crossovers.html"</i><br /><br />And re: <br /><i>"Wow, that cross-over PDF is crazy! It's like a whole world in itself. Alan Moore could have lots of fun playing in that universe."</i><br /><br />FYI, the chart at that link was just drawn up by some interested person on the internet derived from the uncredited Grand Unification Theory of Television conceived by the brilliant creative and scientific mind of the late great Mr. Dwayne McDuffie detailed in his old Slush Factory column, reposted here:<br /><br />http://www.toonzone.net/forums/showthread.php?t=26431<br /><br />And funny one of you should mention Alan Moore:<br /><br />http://dwaynemcduffie.com.lamphost.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=3189&sid=96f6b5a3ce84f5ef7e166cc39a968541<br /><br /><i>"St. Elsewhere" Theory Namechecked.<br />by Dwayne McDuffie on Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:56 pm<br />My TV Grand Unification Theory was just mentioned in a Newsarama interview with comics great Alan Moore. If he really manages to reference Homicide's Detective Pembleton in the next volume of League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, I'll take back everything I ever said about excessive crossovers.</i><br /><br />http://www.newsarama.com/comics/040928-Moore3.htmlcredit where credit is duenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-16707844334513526902011-06-08T05:48:58.570-07:002011-06-08T05:48:58.570-07:00Norman Lloyd is the real deal. It's always str...Norman Lloyd is the real deal. It's always striking to see his Hitchcock work in SABOTEUR as the sneaky bomb maker rat who was cornered atop the Statue of Liberty ... seen by me many year after ST. ELSEWHERE finished its initial run and VHS movies were more common.Dave from Brooklynnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-23620309904069790312011-06-07T16:03:08.334-07:002011-06-07T16:03:08.334-07:00I thought ST. ELSEWHERE turned out to be a journal...I thought ST. ELSEWHERE turned out to be a journal written by Roseanne or something. :)<br /><br />I loved ST. ELSEWHERE. Unfortunately, I lived in the market served by Evansville, Indiana's NBC affiliate. They routinely preempted the show for local high school basketball games and things like The Statler Brothers Christmas special. Infuriating. Occasionally, they'd run the preempted episode Sunday night after the local news, but never with any warning. I'm sure I missed some great episodes.<br /><br />How great is it that decades after questioning his mortality as Auschlander, Norman Lloyd is still with us. I sat next to him at a screening once when he was well into his 80s, and when the lights came up he was just about the first out the door, weaving spryly through the crowd like a man 1/3 his age.jbryantnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-15026861343024519532011-06-06T21:25:25.997-07:002011-06-06T21:25:25.997-07:00That Ed Charles part at the end made me laugh out ...That Ed Charles part at the end made me laugh out loud.<br /><br />Interesting post. And I too found an interesting the Cheers writers didn't have input on Carla and Cliff's lines. But I'm not too familiar with the behind-the-scenes workings of cross-over episodes. Did the Happy Days writers write for Richie and Fonzie when they guested on Laverne and Shirley? Or the Golden Girls writers when Dorothy, Blanche, et. al guested on Empty Nest? I'm guessing not, but I'm really not sure.Mikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-34882785689270195592011-06-06T10:45:03.768-07:002011-06-06T10:45:03.768-07:00Third Season, Episode 24 (titled "Cheers"...Third Season, Episode 24 (titled "Cheers" according to the IMDB).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-43140298072466074972011-06-06T09:24:04.264-07:002011-06-06T09:24:04.264-07:00Does anyone know where in the series this episode ...Does anyone know where in the series this episode occurred? I wonder whether Masius and the writing staff was already thinking about the series finale. That would kind of explain the mash-up: the autistic boy Tommy would have presumably "seen" <i>Cheers</i> on television an thus projected the three imagined doctor characters there.daveedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15016830014923499898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-10403551014676146922011-06-06T05:14:07.902-07:002011-06-06T05:14:07.902-07:00Wow, that cross-over PDF is crazy! It's like a...Wow, that cross-over PDF is crazy! It's like a whole world in itself. Alan Moore could have lots of fun playing in that universe.Johnny Walkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13302545167970532080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-25512903082794845592011-06-05T21:14:37.414-07:002011-06-05T21:14:37.414-07:00That's the one!That's the one!404https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064577649967514295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-40151023442221904462011-06-05T20:09:53.734-07:002011-06-05T20:09:53.734-07:00404 -
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~kwgow/crossovers...404 -<br /><br />http://home.vicnet.net.au/~kwgow/crossovers.html<br /><br />That one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-26281597779810965762011-06-05T17:57:25.962-07:002011-06-05T17:57:25.962-07:00Breadbaker: Yeah, but I'm a lot more aware of...Breadbaker: Yeah, but I'm a lot more aware of the world around me then that kid was made out to be.<br /><br />I remember seeing once a sort of family tree of shows that would in some way be affected by the end of St. Elsewhere's, due to all the cross overs, cameos, and references. It was kind of amazing how many shows threaded to that one show at some point during or after its run.404https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064577649967514295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-85926648496214295482011-06-05T16:35:25.575-07:002011-06-05T16:35:25.575-07:00Oh I didn't notice this was a guest post befor...Oh I didn't notice this was a guest post before I left my comment.<br /><br />I hope I wasn't rude. I just popped in and started typing and came back now to read the posts from today and yesterday.<br /><br />It's additionally frustrating that we didn't have the show in Germany until 1991 and then it wasn't aired when I was home. So now I can't even comment ON topic if I wanted to :-/Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01936042470523695383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-49214197956128973822011-06-05T16:09:14.127-07:002011-06-05T16:09:14.127-07:00@404: Haven't you ever had that dream where s...@404: Haven't you ever had that dream where some character in a TV show was "real" in your dream? <br /><br />And, Ken, that was one joyous series against the Rays. I hope it was as fun to announce as it was to watch.Breadbakernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-31399427519958863862011-06-05T15:55:38.040-07:002011-06-05T15:55:38.040-07:00Here's a Friday question related to this post:...Here's a Friday question related to this post:<br /><br />Would this type of cross-over be appropriate in a spec script, or would it be seen as a gimmick and instantly discarded? For example, if I killed Carrie Bradshaw in my SVU spec, or had Benson & Stabler investigate HIMYM's Barney for date rape?Kendallnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-56299768966128109602011-06-05T14:26:05.379-07:002011-06-05T14:26:05.379-07:00I've heard the question posed somewhere before...I've heard the question posed somewhere before, but: if St. Elsewhere was all a vision in that boy's head, does this make Cheers all a dream as well?404https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064577649967514295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-74009792196832060292011-06-05T14:05:33.425-07:002011-06-05T14:05:33.425-07:00briddie: If by any chance you're in the UK, Ch...briddie: If by any chance you're in the UK, Channel 4 has the entire run of St. Elsewhere available on its online streaming video-on-demand service: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/st-elsewhere/4od#2924263<br /><br />Great show, and the best theme tune ever.<br /><br />wgWendy M. Grossmanhttp://www.pelicancrossing.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-63761987670713843882011-06-05T13:03:28.594-07:002011-06-05T13:03:28.594-07:00Hey Simon...
Call my brother anything you want...e...Hey Simon...<br />Call my brother anything you want...except "asshat". That's reserved for me & Rosanne!Coreynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-64299591708543766502011-06-05T12:41:53.451-07:002011-06-05T12:41:53.451-07:00He either wrote that on his iphone or has never us...He either wrote that on his iphone or has never used a computer before.Zachnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-8319910055842966162011-06-05T11:57:41.108-07:002011-06-05T11:57:41.108-07:00Ichiro stays in Seattle for several reasons. My b...Ichiro stays in Seattle for several reasons. My bet is that Ichiro is loyal to the M's, as the M's are to him. He's comfortable here. His family is comfortable here. He gets a whole lot of respect from the media that he surely would not get in NY/Phila/Chicago/Boston/LA. He has his privacy here that would probably be hard to maintain in the larger media centers. And in the grand scheme of things, it's just a whole lot nicer in Seattle than it is in any other MLB city(except maybe San Diego).<br /><br />And it was terrific when Norman Lloyd showed up on Modern Family, this season.Boomernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-17339982901306309192011-06-05T10:47:20.720-07:002011-06-05T10:47:20.720-07:00I'm guessing that this was motivated by a &quo...I'm guessing that this was motivated by a "cross-promotion" dream from NBC - similar to the "Two & a Half Men" and "CSI" characters doing a cross between shows a few seasons back. We did something similar between three ABC sitcoms and Ragu spaghetti sauce... find the bottle in one of the three shows. It was an attempt at rather subtle product placement. Not sure it worked though.thevidiothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12675078560145080204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-51415523292096997402011-06-05T10:37:49.620-07:002011-06-05T10:37:49.620-07:00Thanks, Simon! Alas, not on Hulu, I see....Thanks, Simon! Alas, not on Hulu, I see....briddiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03408194558353647354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-59078307763958325322011-06-05T10:25:57.954-07:002011-06-05T10:25:57.954-07:00Now the question is did Sam Malone get to the majo...Now the question is did Sam Malone get to the major leagues with the Sox in time to pitch to Ed Charles while he was playing for the Athletics?Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-27338696668815134952011-06-05T10:12:59.719-07:002011-06-05T10:12:59.719-07:00Thanks for the guest blogging and the story behind...Thanks for the guest blogging and the story behind the episode.<br /><br />What impressed me about the episode-in-an-episode was the risk it took. A fourth wall kind of moment, when the viewers of a show realize the guests making an appearance are <i>fictitious</i>.<br /><br />When Cheers had guests such as Dick Cavett or Wade Boggs, they made the show seem more real. Somebody we all knew from real life was in a bar called Cheers. Had Dick Cavett portrayed a fictitious character, that would have been less real.<br /><br />With St. Elsewhere, the risk was that viewers would see their characters enter a fictitious world, Cheers, and they would realize it was a fiction within a fiction. Like the movie in which somebody mentions another movie, or somebody on Cheers calling a 555-xxxx phone number.<br /><br />Glad you guys took a chance with the Cheers visit. The writers and performers made the episode work, good job.Max Clarkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07706524941272103444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-91106733759977994452011-06-05T10:09:34.858-07:002011-06-05T10:09:34.858-07:00Briddie: Last episode of Season 3Briddie: Last episode of Season 3Simon H.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-14443482485757672162011-06-05T10:03:08.379-07:002011-06-05T10:03:08.379-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Max Clarkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07706524941272103444noreply@blogger.com