tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post1021934725687286696..comments2023-11-03T06:02:02.128-07:00Comments on By Ken Levine: My take on Armando Galarraga's perfect gameBy Ken Levinehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17305293821975250420noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-73310048449664654332010-06-24T18:40:27.967-07:002010-06-24T18:40:27.967-07:00Nope, Al Gore did not win the 2000 election. It...Nope, Al Gore did not win the 2000 election. It's common to purge people who have not registered from the rolls. And you have NO guarantee that had those people voted, that it would have been for Gore. Nice try, but your argument does not hold up. The above poster put it best, so I'll just repost:<br /><br />"And yes, Gore did lose in Florida. Even ballot recounts under his own preferred conditions by friendly media outlets bore that out. There was only one set of conditions under which he narrowly pulled ahead, and his own lawyers had specifically ruled that method out."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-75576141400966148792010-06-07T12:01:57.536-07:002010-06-07T12:01:57.536-07:00And one more thing: Al Gore did indeed win the 20...And one more thing: Al Gore did indeed win the 200 election. His mistake was in cherry-picking the Florida counties he wanted recounted. A fair count would have revealed that he won the state of Florida handily, which is why the conservative-dominated Supreme Court, with the most twisted logic imaginable, ruled that there would be no recount, because a recount would leave the wrong impression, or something. Indeed, what rigged the election to be as close as it ended up, was Governor Jeb and K. Harris paying a private firm $4 million to illegally and improperly remove approximately 90,000 voters from the rolls. When the candidate's brother and the co-chair of the candidate's campaign cheat like this, what does that tell you?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07283481089048343443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-89041281482727038432010-06-07T11:52:08.852-07:002010-06-07T11:52:08.852-07:00*since HE used to be one* oops.
It was Red Smith ...*since HE used to be one* oops.<br />It was Red Smith that called the dh a 'loathsome ploy' and he was absolutely right.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07283481089048343443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-20903670042988848312010-06-07T11:50:12.477-07:002010-06-07T11:50:12.477-07:00The call should stand. It's a shame the kid g...The call should stand. It's a shame the kid got screwed out of his perfect game, but this is a precedent that should not be set. Question: what would be the reaction if a bad call gave someone a perfect game he didn't deserve? Would there be a movement to take it away? We can expect Milt Pappas to bang on Selig's door and want Bruce Froemming's ball four call changed to strike three so Pappas can have a perfect game too. And Herzog and the '85 Cards will want to be retroactively awarded the Series because of Denkinger's bad call. <br />Selig is certainly a tool of the owners, since used to be one and since he was hired by and eventually will be fired by the owners! And, no, the wild card and interleague play, to say nothing of that loathsome ploy, the designated hitter, are not good things. But the point is, if we start questioning and replaying judgment calls, then we'll never stop, and the game will become something very different, indeed.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07283481089048343443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-31054523854672139832010-06-06T19:15:08.740-07:002010-06-06T19:15:08.740-07:00As much as it pains me to say it, I think the call...As much as it pains me to say it, I think the call should stand.<br /><br />For all we know, there were several "bad" strike calls earlier which only HELPED the possibility of a perfect game. I know this seems like black and white to a lot of people, but if you can bring that one call into question, then you have to bring 'em ALL into question, IMO.<br /><br />It's just circumstance, in this case, making it potentially the LAST out call that gets people emotional about it, I think.<br /><br />But, Man... I wish he'd called it differently.Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-63482050331959513422010-06-05T23:12:56.732-07:002010-06-05T23:12:56.732-07:00nice column... it very informative of the past..nice column... it very informative of the past..romelhttp://www.apatan.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-90919839877395703172010-06-05T17:34:01.991-07:002010-06-05T17:34:01.991-07:00Thank you for this take on Selig's indecision,...Thank you for this take on Selig's indecision, especially the other times he broke precedent. <br />At the very least a big old nasty asterisk on that game and an explanation for the Cabrera grandchildren.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-85780365128534816522010-06-05T12:03:05.843-07:002010-06-05T12:03:05.843-07:00Tom Quigley made a good point - why didn't the...Tom Quigley made a good point - why didn't the ump refer to a different ump? I mean, how many times does a catcher point to the first base ump when he feels a batter has swung? Happens all the time, let the ump with the better view call it. This wouldn't involve replays or anything. Oh well: "Don't worry kid, there'll be plenty more perfect games"(!!!)tbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-91967874358990622232010-06-05T07:39:44.482-07:002010-06-05T07:39:44.482-07:00I have to respectfully disagree with you. The call...I have to respectfully disagree with you. The call should stand.<br /><br />The umpires are part of the game. Just as the players do, they make errors. But more often than not they do a great job. Replay? What's next? Questioning the strike zone on called third strikes? After all, it affects a players lifetime average, batter and pitcher.<br /><br />I am not yet ready to hand over the game of baseball to technology. I would like to believe that if the lights ever go out we can still get on the field and play.<br /><br />Play. It's a game.The Milner Coupehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04615531012474374223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-9604649744422488092010-06-05T07:17:43.811-07:002010-06-05T07:17:43.811-07:00You know man, this is my favorite game. I always w...You know man, this is my favorite game. I always watching it through satellite just to be enjoyed. I love baseball.gihhttp://get-infoz.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-78266110800372739832010-06-05T04:39:55.206-07:002010-06-05T04:39:55.206-07:00You intellectually handicapped baseball nerds can&...You intellectually handicapped baseball nerds can't see the big picture, can you?<br />The WHOLE world knows just how WRONG this is being handled. For a sport that "thinks" it's just fine answer me this, How many more times can you screw the fans before the fans screw you?Joe Peachnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-68052629081716710822010-06-05T03:22:05.704-07:002010-06-05T03:22:05.704-07:00I like to base my opinions on facts, so yes: overt...I like to base my opinions on facts, so yes: overturn the bad call because it was not only admitted but objectively proven by video evidence that it was a bad call. Leaving it on the books would be more than an injustice, it would be enshrining a falsehood into history. <br /><br />Also, speaking of falsehoods enshrined into history: No, Al Gore did not win the 2000 election. The election was not based on the popular vote; it was based on the electoral college vote. A week or so before the election, when polls showed Gore might win the EC vote but lose the popular vote, he even attempted to preempt GOP protests by reminding Americans that "this election is NOT a popularity contest." When the results came in the other way around, suddenly it WAS a popularity contest. But you can't rewrite election rules after the election. Both sides scheduled their campaign time and allocated their ad resources years in advance to win the state electoral votes, not the popular vote. When Gore lost Florida's electoral votes, he lost the presidency. And yes, Gore did lose in Florida. Even ballot recounts under his own preferred conditions by friendly media outlets bore that out. There was only one set of conditions under which he narrowly pulled ahead, and his own lawyers had specifically ruled that method out. So can we PLEEEEEEEEEASE quit repeating this urban legend that Al Gore really won the 2000 election? <br /><br />BTW, before all the flaming starts, no, I'm not a Bush fan or a Republican flack. I just work in the news business and had to cover all that Florida stuff, day after endless day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-9949028341278144182010-06-05T02:57:52.805-07:002010-06-05T02:57:52.805-07:00Seems like the blown call in the '85 world ser...Seems like the blown call in the '85 world series was a much, much bigger deal than this one, and no one's overturned that.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12302687092773014075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-26348004658977835332010-06-05T00:58:50.690-07:002010-06-05T00:58:50.690-07:00The words 'internet' and quarterback' ...The words 'internet' and quarterback' circle aimlessly round what's left of my mind.blogwardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07362291687463326731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-67227331843576259142010-06-04T22:38:50.143-07:002010-06-04T22:38:50.143-07:00"The jury is out on whether Bud Selig is a go..."The jury is out on whether Bud Selig is a good commissioner or a disaster."<br /><br />This is about the only thing I disagree with in your column. I can't see how anyone who knows anything about baseball can see Selig and think that he is anything other than a disaster. His failures here are too numerous to mention, but you would be hard pressed to mention anything he has done right.DwWashburnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03057278992504418291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-69143472115649790232010-06-04T20:27:54.784-07:002010-06-04T20:27:54.784-07:00It is asinine to admit the call was bad and not re...It is asinine to admit the call was bad and not reverse it. There is no speculation on how the call would have changed the game. It would have ended the game.<br /><br />But Karma has taken over. Galarraga will be far more famous and get far more kudos for his almost than the Oakland pitcher, whose name I have already forgotten, will get for his was.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-50218381980393300722010-06-04T20:21:13.913-07:002010-06-04T20:21:13.913-07:00I'm glad Selig let the call stand. I'm no...I'm glad Selig let the call stand. I'm not a Selig fan and think he should have nothing to do with this game's stats as a 3rd party removed from the guys - and umpires - on the field that WERE there and are a part of this.<br /><br />Imagine if the runner HAD been safe and was called out. Would you want Gallaraga in the record books with a "tainted" no hitter he didn't earn? This way - he's now a sympathy pitcher forever. EVERYBODY, including umpire Joyce knows it was a perfect game. Of the 20 you mention, I can only name Halliday - because it happened a week ago - Koufax and Bunning. I don't remember the other 17 but I'll not now forget Gallaraga. His is special and one-time unique.<br /><br />Let this be the incident that gets MLB to finally seriously evaluate with proper guiudelines the use of Instant Replay going forward in a way like it has helped the NFL.Glennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-8429192363817515642010-06-04T18:57:29.866-07:002010-06-04T18:57:29.866-07:00I agree. There are certain parts of the game that ...I agree. There are certain parts of the game that replay can never cover. Bang-bang plays like this, isn't one of those.<br /><br />Whenever a video can instantly, and conclusively, demonstrate a ruling is incorrect - we ought to be able to use it. I know that 'human error' a part of the game - but if we say changing this call sets a bad precedent...<br /><br />not revisiting the call tells everyone that getting calls right isn't really important. Expediency is.goodman.dlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10070276378311938150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-74316101718135430322010-06-04T18:56:08.091-07:002010-06-04T18:56:08.091-07:00Chuck Klosterman makes a really great point in his...Chuck Klosterman makes a really great point in his book "Eating the Dinosaur" that Baseball is the more conservative sport and Football, with it's ability to move forward with technological advances, et al, is actually a progressive sport. <br />With this call, I'm inclined to agree. Give us the instant replay in baseball, for god's sake. This was ridiculous.Allen Luluhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12572137416801958769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-63972190820193620492010-06-04T18:24:41.005-07:002010-06-04T18:24:41.005-07:00Isn't this commissioner who made the stupid de...Isn't this commissioner who made the stupid decision to make the outcome of the all-star game determine home field advantage in the World Series? I haven't been a baseball fan since then. Because a sport that belives its players need incentive to play hard has lost its way. But I do believe he should overturn the result and award the perfect. They band Pete Rose for life after the fact,they could do the right thing after the fact.satcomdudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02656169538491105029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-20694090603347401352010-06-04T18:21:48.183-07:002010-06-04T18:21:48.183-07:00i really love this game, this one of my favorite p...i really love this game, this one of my favorite past time habbit.dodzkyhttp://watchepisode.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-31684264206449676742010-06-04T16:58:07.516-07:002010-06-04T16:58:07.516-07:00I would also add my name to the number of people w...I would also add my name to the number of people who share your take on the game and the proper resolution. Moreover, had I been undecided; the arguments and comments by the 'don't reverse' crowd would have caused me to support giving it to him. (That group probably would have objected to movies adding sound.) Your take focuses on the human element and forgiveness. And it breaks my heart that that side failed to prevail.scottmchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00482605047309863052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-31960197463841911472010-06-04T16:57:46.711-07:002010-06-04T16:57:46.711-07:00Selig is a joke and has been since the Seattle Pil...Selig is a joke and has been since the Seattle Pilots left town for Milwaukee in the dead of night. Zero credibility. <br /><br />Interleague play is a marketing scam. So the Dodgers can play the Angels and the Giants can play the A's a bunch of times during the regular season, the schedule gets unbalanced, so this year the Giants get more games against the Astros but the Dodgers get more games against the Cardinals. If they finish the season a game behind, what is fair about that? <br /><br />I thought it was fine when the Dodgers just played the Angels the last weekend of spring training, and that made it special.mikeinseattlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-83171229521710913582010-06-04T16:47:09.975-07:002010-06-04T16:47:09.975-07:00Well, don't the rules of the game also state s...Well, don't the rules of the game also state somewhere somehow something to the effect that if a ground ball is fielded and thrown to a player covering first who then steps on the bag prior to the running batter getting there, the batter shall be out?<br /><br />Yes, the umpire has to make the call and try to get it right, but regardless isn't that also sort of a rules interpretation when you get right down to it?<br /><br />It seems to me like the reason for having umpires is to decide the truly bang-bang plays in an impartial manner. I can understand missing those calls as often I see a play and think, "I need to see the replay to tell how that one went." And sometimes even then I still can't tell. But when the batter is well and truly out by a clear stride (even when seen at full real-time speed), well, that's just not right and we have the technology to do something about it (and I believe it's well within the rights of the commissioner to step in as well if necessary).<br /><br />Would it set a precedent? Darn right it would... the precedent of caring about actually getting a greater percentage of calls right eventually, especially in instances where there can not really be any obvious or reasonable objection or consequence to reversing the call.<br /><br />Heck, I've even on rare occasions seen umpring crews voluntarily huddle up and then reverse a call right then and there based on their collective opinions. They should have done that here, but since they didn't, the commish needs to step in and right an obvious injustice.<br /><br />I remember the 1980 NLCS Phillies-Astros series with a truly bang-bang one hopper back to the mound that the Astros pitcher fielded and then might have gotten a triple play. Or might not have. Replay showed it was a one-hopper, but without the replay there was no way of knowing. So the umpires huddled up and eventually somehow declared a "compromise" double play. I forget how they positioned the runners subsequently, but as I recall the play should have resulted in either a single out or a triple play, but no way should it have been double play. (If somebody else remembers better, feel free to correct me.) In any case my point isn't realy that they screwed up the call, but that they at least TRIED their best to get it right by discussing it among themselves even without benefit of replay. I also seem to recall it was something like a 20 minute to half hour delay by the time both teams' managers argued/discussed the situation. Utilizing replay would have resolved it much quicker, I believe.Dimension Skipperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05392348422733549988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-198312141728075422010-06-04T16:40:55.988-07:002010-06-04T16:40:55.988-07:00Somebody or bodies obviously thought it was import...Somebody or bodies obviously thought it was important enough to give the commish the power to make such a change, and I doubt it came with the caveat, "don't use it." Making the change will not open any box or alter the outcome of the game, it will simply right a wrong. Isn't that why the commish was given that tool?Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16300021275090146448noreply@blogger.com