tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post1311631995384403584..comments2023-11-03T06:02:02.128-07:00Comments on By Ken Levine: Uh oh. Another one of my rantsBy Ken Levinehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17305293821975250420noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-43536784930326113162020-05-01T07:37:24.732-07:002020-05-01T07:37:24.732-07:00@Ken It's been several months since this post ...@Ken It's been several months since this post but I was curious what you think since about Dave Chappelle winning the Mark Twain Prize for this iconic and polarizing special? I feel like that does say a lot about how most people aren't as oversensitive and frail as the loud extreme ones are. Also could prove Trey Parker correct about the critics who hated it in public actually loved it and were saying otherwise to save face. Kendall Rivershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401646799797849078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-33301646843818862042019-09-28T15:32:53.570-07:002019-09-28T15:32:53.570-07:00@Astroboy who in the world is Katherine Ryan? Neve...@Astroboy who in the world is Katherine Ryan? Never seen or heard of her in my life .Kendall Rivershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401646799797849078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-9311683714345348342019-09-26T07:50:38.787-07:002019-09-26T07:50:38.787-07:00Late to the party, but I do wonder if the "sa...Late to the party, but I do wonder if the "safe space" thing has been blown out of proportion. Of course I'm not on a college campus, but I know some young people and I don't think they are over sensitive, or at least no more than anyone ever is at that age. And if they are taking it to the extreme, again that's not so different from any other generation. If their extreme is sensitivity, that's not such a bad thing, and they'll mellow out just like we did, and find a balance somewhere in the middle. <br /><br />Jerry Seinfeld needs to move on from college campuses anyway. He's a few generations removed from that audience and no more relevant to them than Bob Hope would be. Doesn't mean he's not still funny, just that humor does change. Speaking of Hope, did you know that he was considered subversive? I wasn't aware either until visiting the Library of Congress this past summer and going through the Hope exhibit. In hind sight, I realize that he was very topical and riled up some people then, even if I was too young to realize it. <br /><br />https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/hope-for-america/hope-and-satire.html<br /><br /><br />I think knowing that kind of puts the topic into perspective. McAlvienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-47010444514555925882019-09-22T19:28:23.559-07:002019-09-22T19:28:23.559-07:00Gotta admit as a Dave Chappelle fan I found this l...Gotta admit as a Dave Chappelle fan I found this last Netflix special a disappointment. I just didn't feel the jokes were there, the whole show felt unpolished and too many jokes just seemed to be there for their shock value and nothing more. I just didn't feel his heart was in it. The Netflix comedy specials I go back to often are the two by Katherine Ryan, I never tire of them, I'm especially impressed with how good the writing is, and how fast she is when it comes to any improvised lines.Astroboynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-23462596243385181312019-09-21T19:01:31.916-07:002019-09-21T19:01:31.916-07:00Thanks for the response! I think it's all abou...Thanks for the response! I think it's all about balance. Comedy doesn't have to be mean spirited or cutting down someone with ill intent but there's no reason that it shouldn't like you said be irreverent or make fun of human foibles and make us look at our own insecurities and ill behavior and laugh at it. Could you imagine a show like All In The Family airing today? Talk about a disaster lol but some of my favorite shows were irreverent and hilariously poking fun at ourselves like All in the family or Sanford and Son, Married with Children, Golden Girls, In Living Color, Everybody Hates Chris, Everybody Loves Raymond, Barney Miller, Soap, Malcolm in The Middle etc. I feel like if these aired today part of what made them so iconic would be watered down and lose their bite. Kendall Rivershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401646799797849078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-2920304101580452019-09-20T13:11:35.719-07:002019-09-20T13:11:35.719-07:00@Rock Golf
If you look at the Rotten Tomatoes web...@Rock Golf<br /><br />If you look at the Rotten Tomatoes website, you'll see it is 99% there as well.ScarletNumbernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-13888067265418563692019-09-20T11:52:56.849-07:002019-09-20T11:52:56.849-07:00123v. You are correct. Point taken.
M.B.123v. You are correct. Point taken.<br />M.B.Mike Bloodworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04755626259169126800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-26987623946915277022019-09-20T09:54:25.803-07:002019-09-20T09:54:25.803-07:00Kevin and Ken,
"Comedy" was dead certai...Kevin and Ken,<br /><br />"Comedy" was dead certainly during the Obama era.<br /><br />There was plenty to make fun of with President Obama. Comedians could have a number of things.<br />But a place like SNL couldn't find anything?<br /><br />My guess is that they didn't want to do anything that would upset the most powerful person in the world, who they admired.<br /><br />Well, that means comedy is dead.<br /><br />Easy to make fun of Trump. Not only is he cartoonish and boorish but he's a heck of a stand up comedian himself. <br />And they do it non-stop. It's BORING. IT was boring by mid 2017.<br /><br />But they could never make fun of Obama. The way he spoke so slowly when replying. The mom jeans. The fact that everyone knew he had trouble quitting smoking. <br />The SNL type folks didn't have to make fun of his ideas but they didn't even try.<br /><br />Can we think of any characterture of Obama that resonated in 8 years?<br /><br />And then instead of making fun of Hillary Clinton, they instead paid homage to her in her loss. REALLY?<br /><br />Comedy was dead.The Bumble Bee Pendanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11782074071758250824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-22092462500041018152019-09-19T19:30:37.104-07:002019-09-19T19:30:37.104-07:00Ken's "rant" has me thinking of the ...Ken's "rant" has me thinking of the latest blackface scandel involving the Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. It seems that on at least three occasions going back more than a decade ago he was photographed wearing blackface. He has apologized but it appears that it may not be enough for him to continue as the Prime Minister, as the outrage is growing louder and louder. I do wish that those offended, or pretending to be, of Trudeau, going forward would separate between those who have in the past used blackface to dress as people they admire versus those that wore blackface to demean people of color. I say this as someone who leans to the left.<br /><br />An example is a couple of different Halloween party's I've attended. One year I had a friend who came as our former President, wearing blackface and a tan suit wearing a button that said "Obama 2012". He was the hit of the party and was treated like a Rock Star. Another year someone came wearing orangeface dressed all in white, stuffed with pillows holding a golf club and lying about his golf score. Guess who he was supposed to be? <br /><br />The person wearing blackface did so for a President he admired. The other man for a president he didn't. Intent is everything.<br />That being said, I do fear that the current president will view the three photos of Trudeau, believe he's actualy a person of color, and want to add the Prime Minister to the "Squad" changing the "Gang of Four" to the "Gang of Five". <br />Kevin from VAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-66507829046211290142019-09-19T12:02:48.650-07:002019-09-19T12:02:48.650-07:00I only wanted to comment that as a younger guy I f...I only wanted to comment that as a younger guy I find it hilarious how younger generations continually make the same mistake previous younger generations have made, which is to blame the previous generations for all their ills. No consideration for the kind of world that generation entered or the decisions they might have made based on the information available to them at the time. Just a general "THOSE OLD GUYS FUCKED EVERYTHING UP!"<br /><br />I for one am thankful for all the good stuff guys my dad's age - and my grandfather's age (both non-white by the way) - did to help move things along in the right direction. They and others of their generation made mistakes but so have members of mine, and those younger. Everyone screws up. But just as it is perfectly valid for Christopher to ask that he be called "Chris" because his real full name makes him uncomfortable, it's valid for me to laugh at him for it...even if that makes me a jerk!Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05394862556353144282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-23289462261430324092019-09-19T09:54:19.617-07:002019-09-19T09:54:19.617-07:00Hi Pete,
We seem to be misunderstanding each othe...Hi Pete,<br /><br />We seem to be misunderstanding each other. I searched for the incidence of statues in Britain being defaced and couldn't find any information. If you have any, please share.<br /><br />Otherwise, I tried looking into your statement about safe spaces being figurative. My memory of the origin of the term is that students requested a physical space, a room, be made available during a talk about sexual assault so that those who had experienced sexual assault could process post traumatic stress responses. When I searched for specific information about safe spaces on campus, most of the results were editorials critiquing the concept rather than specific examples. I found this piece by an adjunct professor at Marywood University: https://www.vox.com/first-person/2018/12/12/18131186/college-campus-safe-spaces-trigger-warnings<br /><br />The title is "I’ve never had a student ask for a safe space," and the subheader is "Panic about students and 'safe spaces' is completely misguided." This professor says -- among other things -- "The closest they came to requesting a trigger warning was the time a student wrote a note to explain that a topic from that day’s class — clergy sexual abuse — might be difficult for her to discuss because she had experienced childhood abuse by a minister and was just beginning to come to terms with her memories," and "I had a military veteran make sure I understood why he needed a seat in a far corner, where he could see the door."<br /><br />Do you have specific examples of "SJWs want[ing] their entire college experience to be a safe space"? That would help my understanding of your point. (I have read "The Coddling of the American Mind" as it was published in The Atlantic and heard interviews with Jonathan Haidt. I disagree with most of his points and examples and can elaborate if you like, but it would not be new to me.)<br /><br />In regard to your specific questions, yes, I believe that Hitler was not a nice person. As to the ability to discuss the justifications for U.S. involvement in World War II without discussing other incidents in U.S. history, I don't see why it isn't possible. I don't see the relevance, however, because I never expressed a value judgment regarding any of the examples that I mentioned.<br /><br />Looking forward to your reply!Erich617https://www.blogger.com/profile/01436072321204914937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-62970935191753000002019-09-19T07:41:42.066-07:002019-09-19T07:41:42.066-07:00Intentions matter. Some people can tell a joke an...Intentions matter. Some people can tell a joke and it’s hilarious. Another person can tell the same joke and it seems a little mean. Is the purpose to vilify the “other?” Does the person enjoy, a bit too much, making fun of, or having a laugh at someone’s expense? The author of the joke, and the demeanor of the comic are all relevant….in my estimation. Does the person say a controversial line with a nuanced little smirk on their face, which makes it seem a bit less mean and more acceptable? (Larry David) Mark Vonnegut said that his father, Kurt (although not known as a comedian) would work for hours crafting the right wording to a joke or a single funny line. The right mix of words make a big difference. Are people getting too sensitive? People have been made fun of since the beginning of time? Are we saying that they’ve been taking it well up until now? There have been a lot of comedians that start out their careers being hilarious, and then seem to become more and more mean and gain a fringe following, but lose a lot of the general population. Are we forgetting Joan River’s making fun of Elizabeth Taylor? I suspect that the obese population weren’t laughing along at the fat jokes, and if they were, why were they? Were they jolly, or did they laugh because everyone else was laughing? If a fat person doesn’t laugh, does that make them overly sensitive? In our society we tend to do things in a “group think” kind of way. Often times, stupid things are acceptable as “the group” (alpha dog types) allows or encourages them, until things start to shift and people fight back. On the whole, I think “younger generations” move the needle forward in society. I tend not to pile on to the smack downs of young people. Honestly, they are getting a lot of things right. There are always people who miss the point and take it to the extreme….they should be ignored and marginalized. I guess there is a fine line between hilarious and mean, and the really skillful writers and performers know how to successfully walk that line. Hats off to Ken and David. Those are my initial thoughts….but admittedly, I know nothing about comedy. Karan Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17199181878619065686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-32036161595620438292019-09-19T03:59:23.700-07:002019-09-19T03:59:23.700-07:00Erich617
The concept of safe spaces on college ca...Erich617<br /><br />The concept of safe spaces on college campuses is mostly figurative. SJWs want their entire college experience to be a safe space and they do that by deplatforming invited speakers or, as happened recently in Britain, defacing a plaque in memory of soldiers who died in World War I.<br /><br />As another Anonymous has pointed out, the veterans were not demanding Saving Private Ryan be banned or that Steven Spielberg be vilified on twitter. To try and draw a parallel between unhinged college students who want everyone to think like them and veterans who wanted to watch Saving Private Ryan but with adequate emotional support afterwards is just absurd. There is absolutely no comparison. <br /><br />Your point about government sanctioned violence amounts to another case of the whataboutery that SJWs love to indulge in as though everything has to be a zero sum argument. Do you think it's perhaps possible to acknowledge that Hitler and his friends were not very nice people and the allies were right to fight them without having to bring in the subject of police brutality and America's bloody history in relation to Native Americans? <br /><br />People who engage in whataboutery appear to believe they're making profoundly clever points. They're not. It would literally be like Jeffrey Dahmer saying "Yeah but what about John Wayne Gacy and all the people he murdered? You want to talk about my crimes but what about Ted Bundy? Do you know how many women he murdered?"Peternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-9555751716159821232019-09-18T22:24:48.825-07:002019-09-18T22:24:48.825-07:00Regarding the categorization of those who serve in...Regarding the categorization of those who serve in the military as agents of state-sponsored violence, yes, I have heard of Pearl Harbor.<br /><br />Regarding the more thoughtful point made by jahn galt, that perspective does lack nuance, but I do see it as a distinction and a relevant one here. So, for example, the indigenous people who were systematically slaughtered by the U.S. and state governments in the 19th century, the Japanese who were interned by the U.S. government during World War II, the countless people of color like Eric Garner, Sandra Bland and Philando Castile who died at the hands of police and those who are currently being detained at the U.S. border are solely victims of violence or brutality by officials of federal, state and local governments. Those who serve in the military are certainly subject to violence and brutality, but they also participate in violence on behalf of the government. Some of this may ultimately contribute to the greater good, but my original question was why they appear to be exempt from the criticism leveled at others who do not want to engage with triggering or offensive material or at least want to do so safely. And their association with the military is one of the clearest differences that I could find.Erich617https://www.blogger.com/profile/01436072321204914937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-70989273024413493292019-09-18T22:08:16.387-07:002019-09-18T22:08:16.387-07:00I commented earlier about SAVING PRIVATE RYAN inte...I commented earlier about SAVING PRIVATE RYAN intending to use a handle but my comment appeared as anonymous. Apologies for that.<br /><br />As for verifying, I remember the hotlines being mentioned in the news at the time, and I have found several news pieces from the period confirming that. Here is an in-depth piece from the LA Times: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1998-aug-06-mn-10608-story.html<br /><br />I recall reading about the screenings more recently in an article that had been published at the time (I know that is confusing, sorry), but I cannot find that article now. Wikipedia says:<br /><i>The film was so realistic that some combat veterans of D-Day and Vietnam left theaters rather than finish watching the opening scene depicting the Normandy invasion. Their visits to posttraumatic stress disorder counselors rose in number after the film's release, and many counselors advised 'more psychologically vulnerable' veterans to avoid watching it. The Department of Veterans Affairs set up a nationwide hotline for veterans who were affected by the film, and less than two weeks after the film was released it had already received over 170 calls.</i><br />However, the two articles cited do not seem to be available online. I believe that one is the one I had seen earlier. So we can at least say that hotlines were available and advertised. Allegedly counselors advised some veterans not to watch it -- what today would be called a trigger warning.<br /><br />So, in regard to how private this all was, I guess that you can decide. The LA Times piece is called "'Ryan' Ends Vets' Years of Silence" and deals with the long-term effects of repressing trauma.<br /><br />To contrast that with safe spaces on college campuses, I don't necessarily know that those are especially public. I have worked on a college campus for years and don't know that I've ever come across one. My understanding is that safe spaces are an environment in which people who feel threatened or violated can process their emotions safely and without fear. So I think a certain level of privacy is inherent.<br /><br />Regardless, I don't know that being public or private is necessarily better or worse in any meaningful way. As for non-platforming and triggering, I am seeing some things become conflated here. To continue using the example of veterans, I see advertisements around fourth of July asking people not to set off fireworks because the sound can trigger veterans' post traumatic stress. That's triggering. Colleges and universities often invite speakers to campus and give them a platform (sometimes literally, sometimes metaphorically). They don't invite everybody in the whole world. They do it selectively, based on the belief that these people will offer something of value to the campus community. On the occasion that they choose somebody whom either the student body or the faculty finds to be so offensive that they do not offer anything of value and risk hurting people, they ask the school not to give them that platform to speak. That's non-platforming.<br /><br />As several people have pointed out, it has nothing to do with freedom of speech, as people who have their platforms taken away or their shows cancelled can still say whatever they want. They just can't say it on somebody else's TV show/campus/streaming service/etc. It's what ABC did when they fired Roseanne from ROSEANNE. It's what Ken does when he chooses not to publish certain comments on this blog.Erich617https://www.blogger.com/profile/01436072321204914937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-10827281511863576742019-09-18T21:32:15.092-07:002019-09-18T21:32:15.092-07:00It's not a rant Ken, it's a good post. A p...It's not a rant Ken, it's a good post. A post that makes us think.<br /><br />And many readers here are confused and have mixed up one thing.<br /><br />You are talking about jokes, but many here are talking about freedom of speech.<br /><br />Both are different things.<br /><br />Writing jokes or doing stand-up comedy to earn money (livelihood) is what is being discussed here, not what you can say and who controls what you say.<br /><br />Freedom of speech still exists people..... Say whatever you want, abuse as much as you want. <br /><br />Briannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-89450776414687759002019-09-18T20:48:21.928-07:002019-09-18T20:48:21.928-07:00I wish someone would please understand that not al...I wish someone would please understand that not all older white men are Trump supporters, are anti-female, are anti-ethnic, and are out of touch with the times. <br /><br />To place all of us in the same category is just as cruel and hurtful as the slurs and injustices you are mentioning. When you say "go away old man" that's just nasty.<br /><br />I didn't choose to be born when I was born. I voted for Hilary Clinton. I voted for Gay Marriage. I should not even have to give reasons why I should not be lumped under a red hat because of my age, color and gender.<br /><br />And to make matters worse, try getting a job when you're my age. "Ew, he reminds me of my dad, or my uncle." Sorry I can't hang with you after work with the gang. I've still got a family to support because this world didn't realize baby boomers -- who were the protestors against unfair thinking just like you, NOT the warmongers -- are aging but don't nest eggs. Our workplaces are seeing to that. They want to keep it. <br /><br />One thing is for sure. You will get old too. I hope you are treating with less hatred for something you never said and never did.<br /><br />Can't say what my name is because that would send a message to people in the industry that I'm too old. <br /><br />The most damning prejudice in this country is the one that can hardly ever be proven -- ageism.<br /><br />Go to it. Tear me to shreds, too. Enjoy!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-31319972663265360042019-09-18T18:18:34.273-07:002019-09-18T18:18:34.273-07:00Mike, Seth MacFarlane's Oscar hosting was pres...Mike, Seth MacFarlane's Oscar hosting was prescient with the joke about Harvey Weinstein years before the truth came out.<br /><br />MikeNnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-60498935035039267332019-09-18T18:01:46.747-07:002019-09-18T18:01:46.747-07:00Somewhat related, possible FQ: what do you think a...Somewhat related, possible FQ: what do you think about the state of comedy today? In spite of PC culture, do you think today's TV comedies are lamer/funnier/similar to comedies of the past? This writer thinks today's comedies are much funnier than in the past: https://slate.com/culture/2019/09/2019-gist-comedy-evolution-cancel.html<br />Thoughts?JASnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-69674684560977624022019-09-18T16:36:10.221-07:002019-09-18T16:36:10.221-07:00Couple more things that popped into my head:
&quo...Couple more things that popped into my head:<br /><br />"But, at no time have I ever said this guy, or girl, should be kicked out of show business for what they said."<br /><br />Nobody's said that. Nobody's said that Dave Chappelle or Ricky Gervais or Louis CK need to be evicted from the human race for their jokes. They've been told they're not funny, which is valid. They've been told they're out of step with the culture at large, which is true. And in CK's case, his behavior was singularly appalling and the lack of anything like an actual, sincere apology is a mark against him. But you'll notice that they're all still working. Chappelle probably has another special lined up with Netflix and he could probably retire off the money from this last special. Poor guys. Having to listen to people say "Y'know, we'd really rather not."<br /><br />In fact, the only comic who has actually been cancelled recently is Bill Cosby. Because he's in jail for actual crimes. <br /><br />They're not being cancelled. Portions of the audience are making it known that they don't like this style of comedy and will spend their attention and their money elsewhere. Basic free market. <br /><br />"You need to view it in the context..."<br /><br />Absolutely, but there's an important question here: who's context? Yours or mine? <br /><br />Personal example: My legal name is Christopher and I kind of hate it. Nothing big, it's just the name I was always called when I got into trouble and to this day, thirty years on, I have a moment of twitch when I go to a doctor's office and get called back as "Christopher?" Their context: It's my name. My context: It's my name that I only ever heard in a negative connotation. Which context matters more? Which one "wins"? In this case, I make a point of asking that they call me Chris, it's added to my records and we move on. What a snowflake, right? <br /><br />This is why I can't get people who don't understand transgender people who don't like being called their old names. We all have names and nicknames we'd prefer to never hear again. Some of them we may have been born with. So why do people sneer at this?<br /><br />Another example: I love Gilbert & Sullivan's Mikado. Love it. It's comic opera, it's an artistic classic... and it's problematic as hell these days. The context of its creation is that it was meant as a genteel satire on British class, wrapped up in the trappings of the fad for "Orientalism" that was sweeping the British upper classes at the time it was written. It's a loving jest, right? The context to an Asian-American in the 21st century is it's yet another art that relies heavily on racist imagery and a complete lack of cultural sensitivity... on top of another century and a half's worth of yellow face, "Long Duck Dong", "Oriental" sidekicks, background geishas, Gwen Stefani and all manner of playground bullying they likely faced when they were growing up. How dare we listen to their discomfort and pain?<br /><br />Empathy. Is it really THAT hard?<br /><br />"So it's no surprise that students have no idea what the Constitution actually says about their rights including free speech. "<br /><br />*sigh* Mike, I'm not offended by your post, I'm just weary of hearing this line of rhetoric every time the subject crops up. Free speech means you can say what you want, Dave Chappelle can say what he wants... and the audience can respond the way they want and Dave can choose how to react. That's not censorship. But if he continues to double down on outmoded comedy that punches down at other minorities in the name of going for the cheapest laugh, he won't be censored... he'll just find himself preaching to the choir at Breitbart more and more often.<br /><br />And that, my friend, is comedy.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07159294212873576818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-37011296169751612762019-09-18T16:03:00.511-07:002019-09-18T16:03:00.511-07:00I dunno, the rules don't seem all that opaque ...I dunno, the rules don't seem all that opaque to me. If you're gonna make fun of people, punch up not down. Make fun of people's choices, but not those things where they have no choice but to learn to live with it. And if you do make fun of those things, make damn sure you're living with them too. And you're probably safe if you stay away from people altogether and look at the other absurdities of life. I just don't see where these guidelines are so stifling they will kill a comedy career - unless you're not all that adaptive, I guess.spmsmithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-9248450196161752362019-09-18T15:09:12.233-07:002019-09-18T15:09:12.233-07:00Memo to Anonymous:
"served in state-sponsore...Memo to Anonymous:<br /><br />"served in state-sponsored violence rather than being victims of it"<br /><br />Umm . . . ever heard of Pearl Harbor?Douglas Trapassohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18348522207945522495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-15317693255308152472019-09-18T14:38:25.440-07:002019-09-18T14:38:25.440-07:00"anonymous" wrote:
when SAVING PRIVATE ..."anonymous" wrote:<br /><br /><i>when SAVING PRIVATE RYAN was released, World War II veterans arranged special screenings to attend together and were provided with emotional support hotlines to call afterwards. If you can see a difference between that and a safe space, please tell me what it is.</i><br /><br />Thanks for that particular insight, about which I was not aware. I think I can help draw an important distinction. <br /><br />The veterans were self-actualized when they arranged private hotlines and special screenings. I imagine they also kept these activities <b>private</b> (perhaps you can verify?) <br /><br />By contrast, safe spaces on-campus are often very <b>public</b> things, occasionally accompanied by public demands to shut down "triggering" speech by guest speakers - sometimes by fellow students - sometimes by professors who exercise academic freedom for the benefit of those not-triggered. <br /><br />Sometimes, an entire public space is shut down before the speaker even arrives. Worse, there are calls to muzzle, suspend, or outright-fire the professor. A private way to deal with this would be to not attend or (at least) to politely protest. <br /><br /><i>The primary difference that I can see is that those veterans were mostly men and mostly white and had served in state-sponsored violence rather than being victims of it.</i> <br /><br />"anonymous" also wrote:<br /><br />The is a very "interesting" view of war, so narrow as to belie it's essence. Veterans in combat, whether volunteers or drafted, both serve AND are victims of combat - even if they do not admit to victimhood. This is NOT an either-or proposition. <br />jahn ghaltnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-65725556940151533202019-09-18T14:27:14.149-07:002019-09-18T14:27:14.149-07:00Mike Bloodworth says - we're living in an age....Mike Bloodworth says - we're living in an age.........<br /><br />Don't say we. You old timers and your racist era is over.<br /><br />WE the 'college crowd' are the current generation. You are on your way out. Don't let the door slam your Trump-supporting ass.<br /><br />Mikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-9750610252726677662019-09-18T14:20:29.891-07:002019-09-18T14:20:29.891-07:00Mike Bloodworth said "There's an old sayi...Mike Bloodworth said "There's an old saying, "F*** you if you can't take a joke!""<br /><br />Well F You, I am not paying to see one of your shows, if your jokes are offensive.<br /><br />My money, so F off. <br /><br />Go sell tickets to someone else.<br /><br />The crowd will dwindle as the society changes and you can hold onto to your old saying as your income.<br /><br /><br />Not a personal statement Mike, but just the thinking of youngsters today.<br /><br />Claranoreply@blogger.com