tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post1913673295264704960..comments2023-11-03T06:02:02.128-07:00Comments on By Ken Levine: Do logic problems ruin a good movie? By Ken Levinehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17305293821975250420noreply@blogger.comBlogger93125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-91414173976473454072021-01-25T01:46:54.307-08:002021-01-25T01:46:54.307-08:00And this is what killed STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI f...And this is what killed STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI for me. I believe I counted over 35 logic flaws before I stopped. It just made no sense and don’t get me started on continuity. Yes, it threw me out of the movie. So much so that when I try to rewatch it for reevaluation at the recommendation of friends, I can’t get past the first 20 minutes.<br /><br />Muhammad Anas Mujahidhttps://bloggingwithanas.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-57191595068244436712021-01-25T01:46:05.169-08:002021-01-25T01:46:05.169-08:00Teen Wolf, when he's shooting the free throws ...Teen Wolf, when he's shooting the free throws at the end, the other team's player is staring at him from right under the basket.<br /><br />Muhammad Anas Mujahidhttps://bloggingwithanas.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-60204829938932572242019-07-24T19:42:58.890-07:002019-07-24T19:42:58.890-07:00And this is what killed STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI f...And this is what killed STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI for me. I believe I counted over 35 logic flaws before I stopped. It just made no sense and don’t get me started on continuity. Yes, it threw me out of the movie. So much so that when I try to rewatch it for reevaluation at the recommendation of friends, I can’t get past the first 20 minutes. Bryan Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03942472363470824138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-42006965070899487282014-11-15T08:18:13.920-08:002014-11-15T08:18:13.920-08:00Henry said...
The show "Hart to Hart" us...<i>Henry said...<br />The show "Hart to Hart" used to kill me with its lack of logic. Every week someone they knew was murdered. They were never actually called in to solve a case, but just happened to be there. <br /><br />I've always wanted to ask the writers why they thought they could get away with that.</i><br /><br />They got away with it for five years, and again in half a dozen made-for-TV movies a decade later.<br /><br />HART TO HART owed far more than Sidney Sheldon ever would have acknowledged to MR. AND MRS. NORTH, who were the title characters in a long-running string of mystery novels written by Richard and Frances Lochridge from the 1930s into the early '60s. The Norths were extremely popular in their day, the novels spinning off into a broadway play, a motion picture (with Gracie Allen--sans George Burns--as Pam North), a long-running radio series, and a short-lived TV series in the 1950s. As in HART TO HART, the Norths seemed to have nothing better to do with their lives than occupy themselves solving the murders that they stumbled into regularly.Carrienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-86654921791748425282014-11-15T01:11:42.606-08:002014-11-15T01:11:42.606-08:00The only problem with the ice-box logic idea is th...The only problem with the ice-box logic idea is that if the viewer has enough of those late-night "That makes no sense moments" they will lose all respect for your show and stop watching. Hitchcock could get away with it because a) he was Hitchcock and b) he made *movies*, not TV.<br /><br />wgWendy M. Grossmanhttp://www.pelicancrossing.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-25203492228694625182014-11-14T21:38:03.233-08:002014-11-14T21:38:03.233-08:00This happens a lot in movies, especially old ones....This happens a lot in movies, especially old ones. Sometimes the ENTIRE PLOT makes no sense, but the movie can still work.<br /><br />CASABLANCA is the best example- the whole "Letters of Transit" thing is stupid. The Nazis would never allow Laszlo to leave Casablanca, no matter what he was carrying. But the Letters are just a Plot Macguffin so you just ignore it and move on to the main point, which is that EVERYONE WANTS THE THINGS.<br /><br />Disney's Beauty & The Beast, considered by many to be their finest film (I do, too), has a major plothole with the Beast having a 21st birthday be at the centre of his curse, yet he's already been a Beast for something like ten years in the story. Plus there's a castle only a mile or so from town that everyone seems to have forgotten once contained a Prince and all his servants. That one falls a bit more into "Ice box Logic" (Called "Fridge Logic" elsewhere).<br /><br />Disney's Frozen has one where they never bother to explain WHY Anna needs to be locked up in the castle with her memory wiped. You're just supposed to accept it and move on, because Anna needs to be the reason Elsa accidentally unveils her powers later, and needs to be a naïve shut-in for the rest of the story to work.Jabronivillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07318218102203693195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-61304234280837456892014-11-14T14:07:30.982-08:002014-11-14T14:07:30.982-08:00There was a really funny Stargate SG1 episode abou...There was a really funny Stargate SG1 episode about a sci-fi TV show inadvertently based on the Stargate project, full of insider jokes and references. Actors in the sci-fi show-within-a-show were constantly questioning the script's inconsistencies to the writers and director.<br /><br />"So you think aliens eat apples?"<br />"Why not, they speak English."<br /><br />"I'm having a little trouble with scene 27. It says I'm out of phase, which means I can pass my hand through solid matter, or I can walk through walls."<br />"Yeah, yeah, 'cause you're out of phase."<br />"So... how come I don't fall through the floor?"<br />(director and writer look at each other)<br />"We're gonna have to get back to you on that one."Mark P.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-84148944355799256562014-11-14T13:43:36.330-08:002014-11-14T13:43:36.330-08:00Who cares what M Broderick thinks? He's a mur...Who cares what M Broderick thinks? He's a murderer.<br />http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/608911.htmlmikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-60709842869354416082014-11-14T13:00:42.025-08:002014-11-14T13:00:42.025-08:00And Saving Private Ryan, if that's Matt Damon ...And Saving Private Ryan, if that's Matt Damon doing the reminiscing, then how does he know what happened in the first 2/3 of the movie?MikeNnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-70177783524519109212014-11-14T12:59:55.750-08:002014-11-14T12:59:55.750-08:00Teen Wolf, when he's shooting the free throws ...Teen Wolf, when he's shooting the free throws at the end, the other team's player is staring at him from right under the basket.Mikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-62977049521350540962014-11-14T12:59:09.295-08:002014-11-14T12:59:09.295-08:00Battlestar Galactica, halfway through the last sea...Battlestar Galactica, halfway through the last season, Xena tells them she knows the Final Five, then doesn't tell the crew who they are, but merely that they will come to her. Later in the episode she is killing hostages until they release them to her. But she won't tell them the identities of who they are supposed to release!Mikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-30695843827777078252014-11-14T11:15:37.384-08:002014-11-14T11:15:37.384-08:00Jason said: Indiana Jones was also the one who fig...Jason said: <i>Indiana Jones was also the one who figured out the rod and found the room with the ark in it, which was not at all where the Nazis were digging. He FOUND the ark.</i><br /><br />But . . . Without Indy, the Nazi's would have recovered the complete head of the Staff of Rah, had both sides, been able to figure out the correct height of the staff, and therefore dig in the right place. (Rather than relying on the one-sided impression burnt into Toht's hand after they burned down Marion's bar). I've been through this game with my son -- it's hopeless!!!BetterYetinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-22573256887120796652014-11-14T11:14:23.019-08:002014-11-14T11:14:23.019-08:00Watching the most recent episode of The Flash, I h...Watching the most recent episode of <i>The Flash</i>, I had no problem accepting that a man could run several hundred miles an hour and that a woman could make object explode by touching them with her hands, but it really bothered me when a couple of lab techs told Barry that they created a special alcoholic beverage for him that was the equivalent of “500 proof”.Hank Gillettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17328364486555780403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-11864724168516912582014-11-14T11:09:04.875-08:002014-11-14T11:09:04.875-08:00ferris bueller spends the entire day scamming his ...ferris bueller spends the entire day scamming his way into situations. he fakes a serious illness to his parents' face. he talks cameron into letting him drive his dad's ferrari. he convinces the maître d' that he is the sausage king of chicago. talking his way onto a parade float was probably a walk in the park for him, and the only reason we don't see it is obviously so we can experience the reveal with cameron and sloan. to my eye, not a plot holediegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03993729398343360730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-30710408767107992432014-11-14T11:07:24.376-08:002014-11-14T11:07:24.376-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.diegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03993729398343360730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-24799147542028285242014-11-14T08:27:22.978-08:002014-11-14T08:27:22.978-08:00Indiana Jones was also the one who figured out the...Indiana Jones was also the one who figured out the rod and found the room with the ark in it, which was not at all where the Nazis were digging. He FOUND the ark.<br /><br />Sure, at the end he was saved by, literally, a deus ex machine, but still.Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04514127184704002111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-85827124515752906272014-11-14T07:54:27.515-08:002014-11-14T07:54:27.515-08:00Another favorite is Sleepless in Seattle when Tom ...Another favorite is Sleepless in Seattle when Tom Hanks discovers his kid is on a plane to NYC to meet a crazed female stalker (something the audience completely willing to ignore because it's Meg Ryan and she's so cute, but that's another post).<br /><br />Instead of calling the airline and telling them to hold the kid, or calling the NYPD, or just about anything sensible, Tom Hanks decides to get on a plane and follow his child to NY, leaving the child free to wander around Manhattan with a several hour head start.ODJenningsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-3552806875283474922014-11-14T07:14:34.122-08:002014-11-14T07:14:34.122-08:00"You can ask an audience to believe the impos..."You can ask an audience to believe the impossible, but not the improbable." For example, Superman can fly. That's a fact, and audiences accept it readily. But flying around the Earth to make it spin backward, thus reversing time and ressurecting Lois Lane? That's just <i>silly.</i>thirteennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-44639110600104837992014-11-14T06:52:01.748-08:002014-11-14T06:52:01.748-08:00THE BIG SLEEP was "cannibalized" from se...THE BIG SLEEP was "cannibalized" from several short stories Chandler had written previously (as were several other Marlowe books). That's why the plots are so complex, and why sometimes there are pieces left over that just won't fit into the whole.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14618297568720543462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-8022563226336082662014-11-14T06:22:48.869-08:002014-11-14T06:22:48.869-08:00About 35 years ago, my brother and I came up with ...About 35 years ago, my brother and I came up with a phrase much like "Ice Box Logic" called GILLIGAN'S LAW.<br /><br />Not to be confused with Vince Gilligan, GILLIGAN'S LAW is a two-tier process that starts at the ice box but continues with the viewer or viewers supplying his/her own offscreen reasoning.<br /><br />"How come Maurice never saw the Beast's castle in the forest but Gaston was able to use the magic mirror to find it in minutes?"<br /><br />"We didn't see it, but LeFou was looking at a map while everyone else was singing."<br /><br />The mirror was like a magical GPS with a image of the forest pathways and a little arrow pointing the way."<br /><br />And so on. Obviously GILLIGAN'S LAW is named for the pinnacle of all examples of the premise abyss. "why couldn't the professor build a radio after Gilligan broke the first one;" why could visitors to the island literally swim home but they could never leave?" etc.<br /><br />To this day, my wife and kids and I say, "Gilligan's Law!" when one of us comes up with Ice Box Logic.<br /><br />It's like Yahtzee.Greg Ehrbarhttp://www.disneymusicemporium.com/2014/08/20/its-that-poppins-woman-she-did-it/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-80619642171757954622014-11-14T06:08:03.196-08:002014-11-14T06:08:03.196-08:00The show "Hart to Hart" used to kill me ...The show "Hart to Hart" used to kill me with its lack of logic. Every week someone they knew was murdered. They were never actually called in to solve a case, but just happened to be there. <br /><br />I've always wanted to ask the writers why they thought they could get away with that. Henrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-17968395651860323202014-11-14T05:58:35.924-08:002014-11-14T05:58:35.924-08:00>The "Say a Little Prayer" scene in &...>The "Say a Little Prayer" scene in "My Best Friend's Wedding" is another example. It's an absurd musical number in the middle of an otherwise realistic movie <<br /><br /><br />That's nothing compared to Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid when we suddenly have "Raindrops Keep Falling on My Head" in the middle of a Western about Train Robbers.<br /><br />One of the strangest plot devices is in the first Bourne movie. For some reason, never explained, Bourne has a small metal container that, when surgically removed, has a laser that flashes the information about a secret Swiss safe deposit box on to the wall. And of course, the box contains, money, guns, passports--everything necessary to create a successful film franchise.<br /><br />Without that, Bourne spends the rest of his life as a French fisherman.ODJenningsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-32451904908823888022014-11-14T05:43:57.264-08:002014-11-14T05:43:57.264-08:00In an episode of "the New WKRP in Cincinnati&...In an episode of "the New WKRP in Cincinnati" series, the Herb Tarlek character consumed an alcoholic beverage. In the original WKRP series, Herb had been established as a recovering alcoholic. <br /><br />His resumption of use of alcohol in the second series should've been a plot point or even multi-episode story arc with the other characters expressing concern. Viewers of that episode would be concerned about Herb falling off the wagon, but the show treated it so casually. It should've been a big deal like when Sam Malone resumed drinking.<br /><br />For me as a viewer, that logic hole undermined the rest of the scene and episode. I kept expecting someone to raise the issue of "Herb is Drinking Again," instead of paying attention to whatever the episode really was about.Kosmo13noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-52904935030442723122014-11-14T04:31:18.181-08:002014-11-14T04:31:18.181-08:00benson said, "...the thing in FBDO that drive...benson said, "...the thing in FBDO that drives me crazy to this day is Cameron wearing a Detroit Red Wings sweater IN CHICAGO! There are things people in Chicago just wouldn't do and that is one of them."<br /><br />Well,<br />1) That was during the Bill Wirtz era where it was hard to see a Blackhawks game unless you attended in person, so the percentage of die-hard fans who would take any offense paled in comparison to those who fronted other Chicago pro teams like the Bulls and the Bears.<br /><br />2) It wasn't just any Red Wings sweater, but a <a href="http://s19.photobucket.com/user/spyboy1/media/TSG%20Blog/FBDOBack2.png.html" rel="nofollow">Gordy Howe #9 replica</a>. That's <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mr._Hockey&redirect=no" rel="nofollow">Mr. Hockey</a> himself! For any true fan of hockey in any market, especially fans of <i>Old Time Hockey</i>, that commands plenty respect. I'm a Broad Street Bullies fan for life and I even have a Gordie Howe replica jersey. Though I'll never ever wear it to a Flyers game, I have survived the streets of Philadelphia unscathed, and never insulted for donning it.<br /><br />Cheerio,<br />JeffroJeffrohttp://kenlevine.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-29387742077771387792014-11-14T03:51:29.063-08:002014-11-14T03:51:29.063-08:00cd1515: The answers to your points, as I see them:...cd1515: The answers to your points, as I see them:<br />a: It's explained clearer in the book, but yes, Andy *had* been digging the tunnel for years. Red speculates (in the book) that he just got too afraid - insitutionalized - to actually go through with it.<br />b: It is shown - in the explaining flashback, if I'm not mistaken - that Andy had the poster fastened at the top and was digging with it hanging over his back. So it would have fallen back down when he left.Johannoreply@blogger.com