tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post2199437614839496239..comments2023-11-03T06:02:02.128-07:00Comments on By Ken Levine: SELFIE: My reviewBy Ken Levinehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17305293821975250420noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-31171889913733955992014-10-03T05:41:05.066-07:002014-10-03T05:41:05.066-07:00"This has always been ABC's niche."
..."This has always been ABC's niche."<br /><br />That's true, but Ken, maybe you know more about this because I only heard about it...<br /><br />The fallacy that television had to skew young, that older viewers had too much brand loyalty, all of what has affected the thinking of TV decision makers and advertisers for years, is actually based on a 1950's study by a European theorist. <br /><br />Apparently this study was commissioned and touted by ABC because it would make them a contender against CBS and NBC. But the study was flawed and incorrect. <br /><br />Nevertheless, like one of those funny old laws municipal laws that are still on the books, like coughing three times on an unpaved crosswalk, the study stuck and has never been challenged. No one has gone back to check, or it isn't in anyone's interest to do so.<br /><br />Have you ever heard of this?Dervin Waysidenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-39435761868165059502014-10-01T15:39:07.642-07:002014-10-01T15:39:07.642-07:00Well, it's all academic now anyway. Selfie'...Well, it's all academic now anyway. <i>Selfie</i>'s premiere ratings tanked. It's fast-trackng into a race with <i>Utopia</i> to be the first cancellation of the season, though <i>Utopia</i> still has the edge, as it was just half-cancelled, having just been axed down from two episodes a week to one.D. McEwannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-65479063227200074232014-10-01T15:14:58.090-07:002014-10-01T15:14:58.090-07:00"Hamid said...
Doug, I usually like and agree...<i>"Hamid said...<br />Doug, I usually like and agree with what you say, but on this occasion I must ask: do you really let someone else's opinions determine what you will and won't watch? Surely you should watch Selfie and make up your own mind."</i><br /><br />I take it case by case, but there are people whose opinions I give more weight to. Reading Ken's column, I'm 100% certain he's right.<br /><br />One of the things reviews are for are to save us from sitting through crap. Once I saw in a bookstore a display that said: "Never waste time watching a lousy movie again with these movie guides." And there on the display, between two books by Roger Ebert, was my own book, <i>The Q Guide to Classic Monster Movies</i>. Warning people away from garbage is as much a critical function as alerting people to really good stuff they might otherwise miss.<br /><br />For the record, I loved <i>The Powers That Be</i>. And you don't have to skip <i>Selfie</i> because I have.<br /><br />Jeeze, I'd forgotten that Cho was in <i>Go On</i> (A show whose logo made it look like its title was <i>Goon</i>). I saw its entire run. Cho vanished into that - ah - comedy.D. McEwannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-21065427637942280442014-10-01T12:06:24.457-07:002014-10-01T12:06:24.457-07:00Friday question: I assume NBC/Lorne Michaels hires...Friday question: I assume NBC/Lorne Michaels hires very bright, funny, talented people to write and perform in SNL. And yet I am mystified at how absolutely unfunny and terrible the large majority of skits are. I mean, for most of them, I try to imagine someone pitching the idea and how on earth others could think, "Yeah, that's great." <br /><br />Now I'm sure it's hard to crank out so many skits week to week. But it can't be THAT hard to come up with at least a few good ones a couple dozen times a year, could it, or to insist on at least some threshold for funny before putting in on air? What's your professional opinion about what SNL may be doing wrong to take all these talented people and have them produce such utter crap? (Assuming you agree with the assessment, which you may not, of course.)Stevenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-72458669543253037272014-10-01T10:39:11.866-07:002014-10-01T10:39:11.866-07:00Earlier today my assistant and I talked about Self...Earlier today my assistant and I talked about Selfie. She likes the show. It could be because she herself is a millennial and big into social media.Mary Stellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02186261066656584772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-28639111362879903242014-10-01T09:37:23.055-07:002014-10-01T09:37:23.055-07:00What a coincidence! I had watched the show, and ha...What a coincidence! I had watched the show, and had commented to a friend that the John Cho was just not funny, and he disagreed, reciting whatever comedy movies been in. I became aware of this guy from "Go On," where I first noticed he sucked the comedy air out of the room.<br /><br />It's not that he's a bad actor, he's just not talented at comedy. He doesnt bring anything to the table. He will recite the lines as written. If the lines are good, then he's okay. If they're not good, there's nothing he can do to help. If you're looking to make a great comedy, that is STUPID casting, as demonstrated on "Go On," and his current car wreck.<br /><br />Whatever you want to say about Ken Jeong, the guy can do something with mediocre material in a pinch. He can punch stuff up, and can even improvise his way out of hell, often enough.<br /><br />If you're an actor on a primetime network comedy, that should be considered the norm, not the exception. There are more talented asian actors out there now than one might suspect. We don't need affirmative action casting anymore.<br /><br />Casting John Cho as a major factor in your comedy isn't only lazy, it's stupid. He's an adequate actor. Adequate doesn't make it if you're trying to cast a major role in a primetime comedy, and if you hire that way, you deserve what's coming to you.<br /><br />-Asian Elephant in the Room NoticerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-58143324201676507582014-10-01T08:19:47.030-07:002014-10-01T08:19:47.030-07:00I do, however, believe that MY FAIR LADY translate...I do, however, believe that MY FAIR LADY translates to the 21st Century. The problem is that, as Ken points out, the creaters *miss* the actual theme. Eliza wants to be a "lady" but she already is at heart. It's just a matter of smoothing out rough edges and mastering the superficial. That is the ironic commentary on the class structure of the period.<br /><br />Eliza in "Selfie" is *not* a lady at heart or even really a good person. She wants to learn manners and etiquette as a way of "posing" as a good person. There's a *huge* difference between being judged poorly because you don't know which knife to use to eat your salad and people not liking you because you can't bother to learn the name of someone you see every day. The former are artificial rules of society. The latter is basically empathy, which can't be taught.<br /><br />This could be intentional on the show's part. "Henry Higgs" works in product development/marketing, which is accused of dressing up something rotten and making you think you can't live without it. But that might be giving them too much credit.<br /><br />Stephen Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03670422634319094941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-17805344372383508442014-10-01T08:09:31.245-07:002014-10-01T08:09:31.245-07:00The "give a show with a bad pilot a chance&qu...The "give a show with a bad pilot a chance" argument reminds me of the "give a movie with a bad trailer a chance" argument. <br /><br />I concede that other people might have different experiences but I have never watched a lousy TV pilot or movie trailer where the resulting product was enjoyable for me. <br /><br />Some of my favorite TV shows, in fact, have had almost textbook perfect pilots: CHEERS, FRASIER, and FRIENDS for example.<br /><br />SEINFELD's pilot and arguably M*A*S*H's pilot do not fully reflect the shows they became, and perhaps this is the source of the "give a bad pilot/movie trailer a shot" theory. However, if viewed alone without considering their later runs, the SEINFELD/M*A*S*H pilots are enjoyable and would justify my coming back for the next episode. I've argued similarly about the trailers for FIGHT CLUB and BEING JOHN MALKOVICH, both were movies I really enjoyed and both had trailers that in retrospect might have sold the films short but were sufficient to engage me.<br /><br />Pilots are definitely hard and have a lot to achieve but the writers also have the benefit of telling a full story -- essentially, how the characters end up at the premise. CHEERS, FRASIER, and FRIENDS hit them all out of the park: Sam Malone offers Diane Chambers a job, and these two characters have been established well enough to set the onngoing conflict in motion. Frasier Crane moves to Seattle, agrees to let his father move in with him and hires a full-time health care worker for whom his married brother immediately falls. Rachel Green strikes out on her own and moves in with Monica Geller. We even get the start of Ross and Rachel, which would be the major relationship of perhaps the entire series.<br /><br />Conversely, what does SELFIE achieve? Stephen Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03670422634319094941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-78765308551316213722014-10-01T04:40:54.764-07:002014-10-01T04:40:54.764-07:00Friday Question: Is it true that one of the funni...Friday Question: Is it true that one of the funniest episodes of Frasier, "Roz and the Schnozz" was merely a rehash of this Batfink episode? :)<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDlFuFwC2QwBrian Phillipshttp://rockinradio.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-88502631946309516932014-10-01T03:28:24.415-07:002014-10-01T03:28:24.415-07:00I agree with most of the commenters here. The prem...I agree with most of the commenters here. The premise is horribly limited and the slangs that are such a integral part of the show in real life have a faddish lifetime shorter than a robotic mayfly. I really want to like this show and have it succeed only because of Karen Gillan really. I'm hoping the show runner and execs actually realize how bad the premise is and change it to something actually viable. <br /><br />The Big Bang Theory morphed from "two awkward guys and a hot girl" to "Friends." I hope for Karen's sake it happens here (doubt it though...)The Griffonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17921230845582393608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-26669791886246897262014-10-01T02:38:23.845-07:002014-10-01T02:38:23.845-07:00"Steve B. said...
Ken, here's a Friday qu..."Steve B. said...<br />Ken, here's a Friday question: I saw the pilot, and felt exactly the same way as you did. But you seem to completely dismiss the chances for the show after one episode. We've all seen shows that eventually find their legs and grow greatly over the first season. What is there about a show that will make you give up at the very beginning, and what might give you a little hope to hang in there?"<br /><br /> considering how the networks the last few years have cancelled shows after as few as 3 episodes "Selfie" may not be around a full season. <br />Barry Traylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14134880916215990198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-29782006728023367762014-10-01T01:58:47.758-07:002014-10-01T01:58:47.758-07:00Thanks for the warning. Having enjoyed Karen on Do...<i>Thanks for the warning. Having enjoyed Karen on Doctor Who, I'd been intending to watch, if only to see what happens when a member of the Starship Enterprise crew joins up with a member of the Tardis crew. Recording aborted.</i><br /><br />Doug, I usually like and agree with what you say, but on this occasion I must ask: do you really let someone else's opinions determine what you will and won't watch? Surely you should watch Selfie and make up your own mind. <br /><br />There are lots of films and TV shows I love that either got slated by critics or just never found their audience. I'd much rather watch The Powers That Be over Two And a Half Men any day, or American Gothic over The Vampire Diaries, both short lived shows that didn't get the acclaim or ratings they deserved.<br /><br />I sometimes agree with Ken and sometimes don't. I agreed 100% with his verdict on Man of Steel but disagreed on Thor 2, though his review of the latter was hilarious. I can't comment on Selfie, as it's not aired in the UK yet.Hamidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-23442684741985897092014-09-30T23:07:47.617-07:002014-09-30T23:07:47.617-07:00VP81955, you're underestimating the enormous n...VP81955, you're underestimating the enormous number of Whovians in America these days. It's become gigantically popular over here. The days when the American response to The Doctor was "Huh?" belongs to the 20th Century.D. McEwannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-52644641039489219952014-09-30T22:31:18.187-07:002014-09-30T22:31:18.187-07:00I'm still trying to figure out SITD
IFO
(I f...I'm still trying to figure out SITD<br /><br />IFO<br /><br />(I feel old)Pamela Jayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06135379188588301400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-20602229728031441122014-09-30T20:03:52.299-07:002014-09-30T20:03:52.299-07:00Thanks for ever having to see this P.O.S.Thanks for ever having to see this P.O.S.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16373109991079340668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-8889121934399094142014-09-30T20:03:10.695-07:002014-09-30T20:03:10.695-07:00Thanks for saving me from ever having to see this ...Thanks for saving me from ever having to see this posAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16373109991079340668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-53489976911292460502014-09-30T19:14:14.671-07:002014-09-30T19:14:14.671-07:00Never felt so old. Had to Google most of the slan...Never felt so old. Had to Google most of the slang in the post. ROFLJonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07774165072774073232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-28989658369158518302014-09-30T15:51:43.859-07:002014-09-30T15:51:43.859-07:00This can't be bad! I have all the focus group ...This can't be bad! I have all the focus group data that says otherwise!Network Executive #2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-49814871243678295202014-09-30T15:28:27.619-07:002014-09-30T15:28:27.619-07:00A review with plenty of bite; I loved it.
What ot...A review with plenty of bite; I loved it.<br /><br />What other '30s romantic comedies could be adapted to a modern-day sitcom? "My Man Godfrey"? "It Happened One Night"? (I'd like a network to summon up the courage to adapt Lubitsch's "Design For Living"; I'm not sure the mass audience today would be comfortable with such sexual tension.)<br /><br />BTW, most Americans aren't Whovians, and probably think from the advertisements that the gal from the Wendy's commercials now has her own sitcom.VP81955https://www.blogger.com/profile/11792390726196611188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-39105259380572198092014-09-30T15:18:09.349-07:002014-09-30T15:18:09.349-07:00Thanks for the warning. Having enjoyed Karen on Do...Thanks for the warning. Having enjoyed Karen on <i>Doctor Who</i>, I'd been intending to watch, if only to see what happens when a member of the Starship Enterprise crew joins up with a member of the Tardis crew. Recording aborted.<br /><br />DBenson, I have a DVD of that Lynn Redgrave <i>Pygmalion</i>. While she is orignal and terrific, her Higgins was so devoid of charisma (Not that he's a bad actor, just miscast) that it did not work for me.<br /><br />I had the absolute joy of seeing <i>Pygmalion</i> on Broadway in 1987 with Peter O'Toole as Higgins, and from the second row. God he was great! (I'd seen Rex Harrison do the musical onstage, but it was so terrible (His Eliza was 18 years old. He was 107. Skin-crawly time, plus he was forgetting his lines, which was incredible) that I and my companions all left at intermission.)<br /><br />O'Toole was so wonderful, it pretty much didn't matter who his co-stars were, but it was a stellar cast: Amanda Plummer as Eliza (The weakest link, but still pretty damn good), Lionel Jeffries as Pickering, and Sir John Mills as Doolittle. All-in-all, every <i>Pygmalion</i> since has had to compete with my memory of that night.<br /><br /><i>"Anonymous said...<br />Wasn't he also in FlashForward? That would make him the enemy of Drama too."</i><br /><br />He was, but he wasn't what was wrong with it. (And, I'm sorry, but I was unable to get all the way through the first Harold & Kumar movie, and so never attempted the sequel. D. McEwannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-58881547298230253822014-09-30T14:39:12.892-07:002014-09-30T14:39:12.892-07:00Thank you for confirming what I already suspected ...Thank you for confirming what I already suspected by the title.Keystonenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-24827062122012170522014-09-30T14:13:59.495-07:002014-09-30T14:13:59.495-07:00There's a BBC video of "Pygmalion" w...There's a BBC video of "Pygmalion" with Lynn Redgrave as Eliza. She plays the flower girl as almost scarily grubby; not a hint of wistful or sweet (although she gets her laughs). After the transformation she's not a Cinderella doll but a handsome British lady -- the "consort battleship" of Higgins's description, which makes her emotional outburst all the more surprising. It wasn't a perfect production, but Redgrave's take worked and effectively removed the "My Fair Lady" overtones.<br /><br />While the play certainly had a powerful satiric streak, the drama was Higgins transforming Eliza with no real regard for the emotional consequences -- to her or himself. <br /><br />Haven't seen "Selfie" yet, but it sounds like there's neither a satiric premise or an emotional core. What if Eliza wanted a personality makeover for a political career? Or because of a literal fear of Hell? What if she were an executive who desperately needed to fit among millenials (like a network exec) and assumed it could be taught?<br /><br />And why does Higgs take the job? There might be something in an Eliza who holds the power from the outset and a Higgs who is forced to teach her what she doesn't want to learn, but it doesn't sound like it's there.DBensonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-47641412229931385452014-09-30T14:09:51.756-07:002014-09-30T14:09:51.756-07:00From the promos I thought they had amended the tit...From the promos I thought they had amended the title to SELFIE:MANHATTAN LOVE STORY. Took me a few viewings to realize they were two separate shows.Paul Ducanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-60213354795773623212014-09-30T13:41:04.729-07:002014-09-30T13:41:04.729-07:00Can't judge a book by its cover and shouldn...Can't judge a book by its cover and shouldn't judge a show on its pilot. I like John Cho and willing to give him 3-4 episodes to find his character's voice and style. I just watched the pilot of Cheers last night and there were only two really laugh-out loud moments (the Coach character really seemed labored). And how did that show make out? :)<br /><br />A Friday question: I've been seeing a lot of Will and Grace in re-runs and that show holds up well with a joke a page minimum (granted about half are gay jokes, but still funny). Max Kohan and Mitch Mutchnick, the creators of the show, have had three bites at another series and none lasted more than 9 episodes. Bite Four is coming soon on TBS in a comedy called "Buzzy." My question is how can creators of such a funny show fail miserably in re-creating another one? Did everything just come together between writing and casting for W&G? Were K&M just one-hit wonders (TV version)?MikeK.Pa.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-37485065418720882082014-09-30T12:50:26.991-07:002014-09-30T12:50:26.991-07:00I liked the pilot. Found it amusing and charming t...I liked the pilot. Found it amusing and charming throughout. The sense of heightened reality reminded me of Suburgatory, which was from the same creator. I was pleasantly surprised, as the title and trailer both seemed utterly obnoxious.<br /><br />Now A to Z, that's a stinker. Typical laugh-free NBC comedy pilot. Likeable leads fighting against an underwritten obnoxious script.Olivernoreply@blogger.com