tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post3177484128502686355..comments2023-11-03T06:02:02.128-07:00Comments on By Ken Levine: Adventures in Bad Make UpBy Ken Levinehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17305293821975250420noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-3096065423347627322019-11-22T10:28:23.025-08:002019-11-22T10:28:23.025-08:00I found Chris Evans in Avengers: Endgame to be qui...I found Chris Evans in Avengers: Endgame to be quite convincing.JoePhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02688827446389969680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-34464084760925337012019-11-14T19:42:43.274-08:002019-11-14T19:42:43.274-08:00@Brian Fies: The real makeup miracle of Citizen Ka...@Brian Fies: The real makeup miracle of Citizen Kane was with Kane as a young adult. They somehow managed to reduce the prominence of his Orson’s jewels and beadiness of his eyes and made him look considerably more dashing than he did in real life. I think there’s an interview somewhere in which Welles says he came to rue that makeup because it made his real-life aging look harsher than it really was.<br /><br />The Deadly Years episode of Star Trek had awful aging makeup, as you say. One of the big problems was Kirk’s hair. In the initial stages, they “age” Shatner by combing back his hairpiece to make it look thinner. But when it was time to go full grey, Shatner apparently wasn’t willing to let them make a fully receding toupee, so suddenly elderly Kirk has a full, thick white mane with a hairline that is even further forward than his normal piece.Andy Rosenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-47281860532330331652019-11-14T14:35:01.567-08:002019-11-14T14:35:01.567-08:00Most people age into getting saggier and droopier,...Most people age into getting saggier and droopier, and that's hard to do cosmetically in costume. I just recently had a friend send me a picture of me from about 12 years ago. Sigh.Nohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07963684047788854637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-61355755944829778552019-11-14T08:56:48.535-08:002019-11-14T08:56:48.535-08:00Tangentially related are the movies/TV episodes wh...Tangentially related are the movies/TV episodes where the discrepancy is played for laughs. I loved how in the Wet Hot American Summer "prequel" all the actors, ten years older, played versions of themselves a few years younger than in the original movie. It was utterly ridiculous and worked perfectly. Ditto for forty-something Will Forte playing a twenty-something Doug Kenney in A Futile and Stupid Gesture, which Martin Mull's afterlife Doug Kenney points out. I just found out that David Wain directed both, so I guess he should get the credit.estivhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12736355730705116526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-16485656694864058212019-11-14T00:16:38.475-08:002019-11-14T00:16:38.475-08:00Interesting that in The Crown, they just cast olde...Interesting that in The Crown, they just cast older actors because there's just too much life experience that latex can't recreate. Roger Owen Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05298172138307632062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-53513923629862908442019-11-13T19:37:50.780-08:002019-11-13T19:37:50.780-08:00Flipping to film but the ending sequence of the Ha...Flipping to film but the ending sequence of the Harry Potter films was entirely this. The aging makeup/prosthetics looked straight out of community theatre. Comparing it to the actors now is even more yikes.Keithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-80909377262523168752019-11-13T18:00:26.013-08:002019-11-13T18:00:26.013-08:00The only truly convincing job of ageing makeup was...The only truly convincing job of ageing makeup was on David Paymer in "Mr. Saturday Night".Phil In Phoenixnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-53347958154856921942019-11-13T17:40:34.777-08:002019-11-13T17:40:34.777-08:00I've always been struck by the difference betw...I've always been struck by the difference between "old" Orson Welles in Citizen Kane, in which I thought the old-age makeup on a 25-year-old Welles was actually pretty good, and the actual aged Welles we all knew. It's like the same guy in parallel universes, one of which he didn't gain 200 pounds in. <br /><br />There's an episode of Star Trek in which Shatner, Kelley, Doohan and Nimoy were artificially aged. Not even close.Brian Fieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16347700145666751363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-76322554787650571472019-11-13T17:08:17.979-08:002019-11-13T17:08:17.979-08:00I'm looking forward to THE IRISHMAN (even thou...I'm looking forward to THE IRISHMAN (even though it clocks at two and a half hours) because I was told computer trickery is used to make some of the actors look younger for the flashbacks. More disturbingly, a new movie featuring a digital James Dean has been announced/threatened. What do you think the future of movies will be? Would you like to see Natalie Wood in the inevitable GAME OF THRONES movie? Come on, you know you would.Buttermilk Skyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07430011403223875192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-74163446234137015472019-11-13T15:44:04.237-08:002019-11-13T15:44:04.237-08:00Who needs computer programs? I looked at my paren...Who needs computer programs? I looked at my parents, my uncles, and older cousins and realized how I would look at age 60: (1) hair receding to the point that I would need it kept real short to avoid resembling Bozo the Clown. (2) age spots everywhere and (3) a baggy saggy chin. Jeff Boicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14600946876122022978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-69593219616798226882019-11-13T15:37:55.334-08:002019-11-13T15:37:55.334-08:00I wasn't going to mention this, but, now it se...I wasn't going to mention this, but, now it seems somehow appropriate. My wife has heard your name a number of times, but she saw your punim for the first time on the M*A*S*H series finale special last night, and she said you look like an "old Zak Bagans." Caspernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-80788195560051149782019-11-13T15:23:18.798-08:002019-11-13T15:23:18.798-08:00Director Richard Linklater probably agrees with yo...Director Richard Linklater probably agrees with you. He is making a film of the Stephen Sondheim/George Furth musical MERRILY WE ROLL ALONG. The story spans about 18 years,late 1950's to mid to late 70's. He is filming the movie over 18 years so that the same actors can play their roles without resorting to make-up. Strikes me as a little drastic. MERRILY is an underrated,underappreciated Sondheim show. It's disappointing that it'll take so long to be seen. scottmcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-39220874474114667582019-11-13T15:07:43.277-08:002019-11-13T15:07:43.277-08:00I thought they did a nice job of aging Hayley Atwe...I thought they did a nice job of aging Hayley Atwell in that Captain America movie.thirteennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-15836529463358464132019-11-13T14:48:23.278-08:002019-11-13T14:48:23.278-08:00Ken, just gotta say I love the "Clint as any ...Ken, just gotta say I love the "Clint as any old classic character" idea.<br /><br />I'd pay good money to see him as Diane Chambers...Steve Lanzi (formerly known as qdpsteve)https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=19336675&postID=3177484128502686355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-42873865630830279202019-11-13T13:20:09.904-08:002019-11-13T13:20:09.904-08:00Anonymous beat me to it. I was going to mention h...Anonymous beat me to it. I was going to mention how silly James Dean looked in his "aged" make up in "Giant."<br /><br />It goes both ways. It often takes me out of a movie when an older actor is playing a kid. Garry Cooper in "Pride of the Yankees" is one example. There's no way that I could believe that he was a college age Lou Gehrig. Jimmy Stewart in "It's a Wonerful Life" is another example. The only reason you know he was supposed to be in high school is because they tell us he is. Certainly not by the way he looks.<br /><br />Several years ago on "America's Most Wanted" they were looking for a fugitive that had been on the run for twenty-plus years. They had a forensic artist sculpt a bust of how the guy would look twenty years older. It looked remarkably like the actual person and led to his eventual capture. So, it's not impossible to guess how someone might look in the future.<br /><br />Slightly off topic, but still related. One of my favorite closing lines from "Cheers" is from the episode, "I'm Okay, You're Defective." An senior Lilith and an adult Frederick are in a lawyer's office to hear Frasier's will. Instead, the lawyer starts talking about Sam's sperm count. Lilith's response, "That damn bar!" Not so funny here, but in context it made me laugh.<br />M.B. Mike Bloodworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04755626259169126800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-31089991976807677602019-11-13T13:02:29.155-08:002019-11-13T13:02:29.155-08:00If you can make it past College’s lengthy Keaton-i...If you can make it past College’s lengthy Keaton-in-blackface segment, you’ll be rewarded with one of the more dyspeptic conclusions in silent comedy- the empty-nested Keaton and Anne Cornwall characters, withered in old age make-up, with Keaton snapping at his now-elderly sorority sweetheart..... followed by a shot of their separate tombstones.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-56789254578999435542019-11-13T11:27:45.267-08:002019-11-13T11:27:45.267-08:00Polywogg, just for the record, Cameron Bicondova, ...Polywogg, just for the record, Cameron Bicondova, who played Selina Kyle for nearly all of Gotham, stated that she did not feel comfortable playing the older version of her character on the series finale. She and the producers then found a different actress to play the older Selina.Robert Brauerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07533085154192402741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-40579309916291885102019-11-13T11:26:30.997-08:002019-11-13T11:26:30.997-08:00I agree with you, Ken, that this can frequently be...I agree with you, Ken, that this can frequently be stupid. One of the reasons I came to this conclusion is the fact that a young actor playing the older version of a character is an incredibly hard thing to make convincing. As an audience member, I cannot immerse myself in the performance; I always find myself returning to the idea that I'm watching a young person play old.<br /><br />One rare exception to this was Robert Downey Jr. in the film Chaplin. He did a tremendous job playing Chaplin in the scenes where he was older. It's still the best example of young playing old that I think I've ever seen.Robert Brauerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07533085154192402741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-4539161476479574192019-11-13T10:18:55.029-08:002019-11-13T10:18:55.029-08:00What's even worse are attempts to make older a...What's even worse are attempts to make older actors look much younger via makeup. <i>St. Elsewhere</i> once broadcast a two-part episode (around 1986) that took place decades earlier; James Stephens (from the TV version of <i>The Paper Chase</i>) replaced Norman Lloyd as Dr. Auschlander, whereas Ed Flanders and William Daniels played younger versions of their characters - unforgettable, and not in a good way.<br /><br />Of course, in a comedy this sort of thing can work wonderfully in brief flashbacks, as with Andre Braugher's character on <i>Brooklyn Nine-Nine</i>.gottacooknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-7303874061199052972019-11-13T10:05:22.470-08:002019-11-13T10:05:22.470-08:00I thought old age makeup was done well in one movi...I thought old age makeup was done well in one movie this year, but saying which movie and which actor would be a spoiler.Chris Gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-85686845274273527742019-11-13T09:03:18.484-08:002019-11-13T09:03:18.484-08:00There is one very notable exception to this bad-ma...There is one very notable exception to this bad-makeup rule, and that is special effects artist Dick Smith. He did wonders <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/2qiqkh/max_von_sydow_without_and_after_make_up_for_the/" rel="nofollow">aging Max von Sydow for his role as Father Merrin in <i>The Exorcist</i></a>. That was the first film I saw starring von Sydow, and I just assumed he was as old as the character he was playing -- that is, until I started seeing him in other roles.Tristan Millerhttps://logological.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-86996345004968135912019-11-13T07:53:22.531-08:002019-11-13T07:53:22.531-08:00Ken, Kelsey Grammar said that the Frasier reboot i...Ken, Kelsey Grammar said that the Frasier reboot is looking like a lock in 2020. Do you have anything to do with it? Any thoughts? My guess would be Frasier is now the father/"Martin" character to an adult Frederick... I just hope they don't do the 1000th version of conservative dad/liberal son.Glennnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-80482614203609246892019-11-13T07:49:53.168-08:002019-11-13T07:49:53.168-08:00Shows you how little confidence they have in their...Shows you how little confidence they have in their output. Truly confident people would shut down for 30 years and film (and show) the finale when the actors have aged into it.<br /><br />BOYHOOD did it...<br /><br />wgWendy M. Grossmanhttp://www.pelicancrossing.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-43607987482101641332019-11-13T07:08:00.246-08:002019-11-13T07:08:00.246-08:00I'm not sure it matters whether you age them a...I'm not sure it matters whether you age them and it looks ridiculous but it's at least them, or you show a completely different actor and everyone complains.<br /><br />The ending for Gotham was like that...They jumped forward a mere 10 years. Bruce (a teen for most of the show) was now supposedly late 20s. But you only saw him in the suit, so it didn't matter that it was actually same actor, but it was. For the rest, they added some gray hair. But Selena Kyle had a COMPLETELY different actress. For a mere 10y jump. And she was 20yo in real life, so not that big a stretch. It made NO sense. I have to assume there was something else going on behind the scenes. <br /><br />But I felt ripped off. At least she wasn't named Darren when they made the switch.<br /><br />P.PolyWogghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05239033481272527855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19336675.post-44603696250408335722019-11-13T06:39:53.402-08:002019-11-13T06:39:53.402-08:00Great example of this
Watch Giant with Rock Hudson...Great example of this<br />Watch Giant with Rock Hudson and see what they thought he would look like old.<br />Then look at the real Rock Hudon.<br />Not close.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com